From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O7EQU-0007Kc-Mr for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:04:13 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 09998E07F2; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4F1E07FC for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:03:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyj26 with SMTP id 26so2459581wyj.40 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=33iJWBP2xWyOeBWoLlDEKQL+U4enmY4LNgS648gDAw0=; b=UTD+61/jefxvWthAjjpjda+ZNnEjTIADHdMx6cLJXUfVZo0ho5MydK4O93VcV9hCfZ QSjWpwtF9/H0V6phFMc9j7XS6ICsQLbDJw8bpHunV2ojrwNFdcrRq74BwHcW6Mx54NT3 LkBQNfmuQ9wab2UEZ5clGJGr+eG/zQbCzIGPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=N6Dn806+Bd2nb4Dy3qJFzMg11XoFssMeHBoei1kC9nwzb2ZHqJwdlMwI/laSIZ3vE5 b208zZpT0Ct8SQsi1FMu/Cwyb27o4ccH7xkjR/0ohP/D2yvdExDn/DTMI1rN3xmN0ik5 xjAU+tzplUGCNnOhpfoL1M8myeyoAvyiwn6Yg= Received: by 10.216.91.18 with SMTP id g18mr476750wef.203.1272488584039; Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.2] (adsl-0-94-36.jan.bellsouth.net [65.0.94.36]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l46sm176576wed.10.2010.04.28.14.03.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 28 Apr 2010 14:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BD8A282.6070607@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:02:58 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100409 Gentoo/2.0.4-r1 SeaMonkey/2.0.4 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] emerge -e system - output info/errors to log References: <4BCB276B.30306@libertytrek.org> <201004181905.17893.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4BCB4364.1000402@libertytrek.org> <201004181956.46928.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4BD872B2.2020400@libertytrek.org> In-Reply-To: <4BD872B2.2020400@libertytrek.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 3589fa84-7bef-4efb-9aeb-d2d92a107d5a X-Archives-Hash: 5b1fe6ddc166790b2e36efe3242ee946 Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2010-04-18 1:56 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> Understand what the gcc upgrade guide is: >> >> a quick simple guide for user who don't know tool chains inside out, that give >> the minimal sequence of commands that is GUARANTEED to NOT leave the user in >> the lurch. It's not the minimum possible sequence of commands to do the >> upgrade, because most users don't know how to tell the difference. Here's the >> logic: >> >> "If we imply that you should merge -e world with a gcc upgrade, my inbox will >> not fill with bugs from users who don't know the inner guts of the toolchain". >> >> The Guide is not the best possible guide that can be. It is the guide that >> causes the least support questions from users. >> > This is the second time that someone has said something like this with > respect to the official Gentoo Guides (the other was the kernel upgrade > guide, and its recommendation to use ''make menuconfig instead of 'make > oldconfig')... > > It would be nice if there were a formal/official place to find 'Advanced > User Guides'... ;) > > I think that is where this mailing list comes in. Here, you can say what you have, what you want in the end then someone can tell you a way to get there. Usually, you will get more than one way and have to pick your poison. I agree with what Alan said tho. The guides have to be a work every time for every one that reads it. Dale :-) :-)