[gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade

[gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade

[john]

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Hello,
	After updating my machine which included upgrading
	xorg-server-1.7.6. I was left with a none working mouse and
	keyboard. After an hour or so of checking I decided to
	re-emerge xorg-server again to discover a message to rebuild
	x11-drivers. I rebuilt x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev and mouse
	and keyboard worked again.

	Question 1
	Should x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev be rebuilt automatically
	after xorg-server upgrade? 

	Linux/Gentoo appaers to be moving away from xorg.conf and
	towards hal/policices. When using proprietary graphics
	drivers you also need xorg.conf.

	Question 2
	Is it possible to use proprietary ati-drivers and
	nvidia-drivers wthout having to use xorg.conf. Can this
	be done through hal and will this change in the future?

	I have tried using x11 radeon driver with built in kernel
	direct rendering. The performance of this was relatively poor.
	Stellarium would not work, a few games would barely
	function. ati-drivers-8.7.2 works well with xorg-server-1.7.6
	and cured all these issues but this required unmasking hard
	masked package.

	Question 3
	Sould I expect x11 radeon driver with built in kernel dri to be
	as good as fglrx? Direct rendering was running (glxinfo).

Thanks. Hope this is clear
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John D Maunder
john@arcticwolf.myzen.co.uk

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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade

[Mark Knecht]

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:05 PM, john <john@arcticwolf.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello,
>        After updating my machine which included upgrading
>        xorg-server-1.7.6. I was left with a none working mouse and
>        keyboard. After an hour or so of checking I decided to
>        re-emerge xorg-server again to discover a message to rebuild
>        x11-drivers. I rebuilt x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev and mouse
>        and keyboard worked again.
>
>        Question 1
>        Should x11-drivers/xf86-input-evdev be rebuilt automatically
>        after xorg-server upgrade?
>

Check out module-rebuild. You put a list of packages in it - evdev,
keyboard, nvidia-drivers, vmware-modules, etc., and then just run it
after an xorg-server upgrade or a kernel change. Once you set it up
you don't have to remember too much about which packages need to be
rebuilt. I just run

module-rebuild -X rebuild

and it all gets done for me.

Hope this helps,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade

[Peter Humphrey]

On Wednesday 21 April 2010 00:33:19 Mark Knecht wrote:

> Check out module-rebuild. You put a list of packages in it

How and where does one do that?

-- 
Rgds
Peter.

[gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server upgrade

[walt]

On 04/20/2010 04:05 PM, john wrote:

> 	Linux/Gentoo appaers to be moving away from xorg.conf and
> 	towards hal/policices...

That was true in the past, but no longer.  The recent release of xorg 1.8
specifically says that hal will not be supported in any future xorg versions,
so we should all start looking beyond hal.  Don't spend a lot of effort now
learning about hal because it's on the way out.  (Not many people mourning
it's impending demise, apparently.)

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade

[dan blum]

I also upgraded the drivers after a xorg upgrade. The correct drivers need to be emerged: ie. x11-drivers/XF86-input_mouse x11-drivers/XF86-input_keyboard + the video drivers. If you are not sure what drivers you need, just execute qlist /media-video.

--- On Tue, 4/20/10, Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:

> From: Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org>
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Date: Tuesday, April 20, 2010, 7:05 PM
> On Wednesday 21 April 2010 00:33:19
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> 
> > Check out module-rebuild. You put a list of packages
> in it
> 
> How and where does one do that?
> 
> -- 
> Rgds
> Peter.
> 
> 


      

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server upgrade

[Graham Murray]

walt <w41ter@gmail.com> writes:

> That was true in the past, but no longer.  The recent release of xorg 1.8
> specifically says that hal will not be supported in any future xorg versions,
> so we should all start looking beyond hal.  Don't spend a lot of effort now
> learning about hal because it's on the way out.  (Not many people mourning
> it's impending demise, apparently.)

And if you use udev then you need an (at least minimal) xorg.conf.

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 21 April 2010 02:05:54 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 April 2010 00:33:19 Mark Knecht wrote:
> > Check out module-rebuild. You put a list of packages in it
> 
> How and where does one do that?


by running "module-rebuild populate"

That syntax might not be correct. The man page will tell you. The man page is 
always your first point of reference.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 21 April 2010 02:05:54 Peter Humphrey wrote:
>    
>> On Wednesday 21 April 2010 00:33:19 Mark Knecht wrote:
>>      
>>> Check out module-rebuild. You put a list of packages in it
>>>        
>> How and where does one do that?
>>      
>
> by running "module-rebuild populate"
>
> That syntax might not be correct. The man page will tell you. The man page is
> always your first point of reference.
>
>    

LOL.  No man page for that here.

root@smoker ~ # man module-rebuild
No manual entry for module-rebuild
root@smoker ~ #

I don't have the man page but I also don't have that command either.  
Didn't that used to be part of another package?  I could have sworn I 
used that before.

I did find the package it belongs to.  It's module-rebuild of course.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] xorg-server upgrade

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 21 April 2010 12:03:18 Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > On Wednesday 21 April 2010 02:05:54 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >> On Wednesday 21 April 2010 00:33:19 Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>> Check out module-rebuild. You put a list of packages in it
> >> 
> >> How and where does one do that?
> > 
> > by running "module-rebuild populate"
> > 
> > That syntax might not be correct. The man page will tell you. The man
> > page is always your first point of reference.
> 
> LOL.  No man page for that here.
> 
> root@smoker ~ # man module-rebuild
> No manual entry for module-rebuild
> root@smoker ~ #
> 
> I don't have the man page but I also don't have that command either.
> Didn't that used to be part of another package?  I could have sworn I
> used that before.
> 
> I did find the package it belongs to.  It's module-rebuild of course.  ;-)

Treat "man pages" as a slang synonym for "however the package is documented" 
;-)

/usr/sbin/module-rebuild --help



-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xorg-server upgrade

[Mike Edenfield]

On 4/21/2010 1:41 AM, Graham Murray wrote:
> walt <w41ter@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> That was true in the past, but no longer.  The recent release of xorg 1.8
>> specifically says that hal will not be supported in any future xorg versions,
>> so we should all start looking beyond hal.  Don't spend a lot of effort now
>> learning about hal because it's on the way out.  (Not many people mourning
>> it's impending demise, apparently.)
> 
> And if you use udev then you need an (at least minimal) xorg.conf.
> 

With the new modular xorg.conf.d setup, you really don't.

I have no xorg.conf and the only thing I'm missing is the mouse wheel
emulation on my touchpad.  The xorg-server package includes
configuration segments that handle the basic input devices for you, and
the server itself is pretty good as figuring out your output devices.

--Mike