From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NpO7G-00086d-CK for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:37 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C5928E0CC2; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blingymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com [208.113.200.5]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1388E0CC2 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:46:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.110] (smtp.media-brokers.com [70.43.81.99]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blingymail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5E9C14D795 for ; Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:46:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B97BEC5.4010807@libertytrek.org> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:46:13 -0500 From: Tanstaafl User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.8.1.19) Gecko/20081209 Lightning/0.9 Thunderbird/2.0.0.19 Mnenhy/0.7.6.666 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with "make oldconfig" 2.6.30-8 ==> 2.6.31 References: <20100310013650.GA6034@waltdnes.org> <4B979D21.4040206@libertytrek.org> <20100310134719.7fe66c8b@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <4B97A508.8070204@libertytrek.org> <20100310140922.77fc4045@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <4B97AC47.5030806@libertytrek.org> <20100310143523.2e53b74b@digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <20100310143523.2e53b74b@digimed.co.uk> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 57d91e86-c518-44d5-81fb-182c30c8c30b X-Archives-Hash: 7c024733ea10707f8c1486e726d9bbb3 On 2010-03-10 9:35 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:27:19 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: >> But... my understanding is that, by copying your old .config to the >> new kernel dir before running make menuconfig, you *are* reusing >> your old config... I sure hope I'm not reading *that* wrong. ;) > No you're not. But it is far easier to miss important changes > without oldconfig to point them out to you by shoving them in your > face. Interesting - in that case, I'd have to agree with you and Alan that using make oldconfig sounds like it would be better, and that the guide, official though it may be, is wrong. Apologies, Alan, for being a little argumentative - its just that I'm a stickler for always telling people to use 'official' docs as opposed to $random_guide found on the internet, since it should always be 'right'. On 2010-03-10 9:37 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 14:09:25 +0000, Mick wrote: >> Now, doing that for the first time may be too confusing for >> someone who is not familiar with the process of rolling up their >> own kernel, therefore the handbook has to cater for the lowest >> common denominator and advises to go about it in a long-winded >> way. > Which should not be the case in a section of the documentation > marked "Advanced". This is advanced in Gentoo user terms, not like > Ubuntu users where it means they can manage joined up writing :) Heh... agree 100%. In fact, the way it is worded does seem to actually be technically *wrong*, if it does indeed do the same thing as make menuconfig wrt reusing as much of your old config as possible. I would consider the 'shoving the differences in your face' aspect to be much more beneficial too. I probably would have avoided the problem I ran into back when they changed the netfilter options - I can't remember exactly, but I think they changed some of the option names and/or where they were located in the kernel config... all I know is my firewall wouldn't work until I googled the changes and recompiled my kernel. So, if no one else (who understands kernel compiling better than me - which would probably be most everyone here) wants to open a bug to fix the documentation/guide, I'll do it, but I think it might be received better if it was made by someone familiar with both methods, but especially make oldconfig... -- Charles