From: Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:37:10 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4B729A66.8080501@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201002101204.57903.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>
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> On Wednesday 10 February 2010 11:38:52 Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:24:36 -0600, Dale wrote:
>>
>>>> hal is a classic "Second System Effect" case
>>>>
>>>> But I thought we thrashed this to death a while ago and all agreed to
>>>> never speak of this abomination again, while we await the Third
>>>> System Effect aka DeviceKit?
>>>>
>>>
>>> From what I read it appears to be the same guy doing both. Maybe,
>>>
>>> just maybe, some lessons were learned and it will be a lot better.
>>>
>> Isn't that the point of redoing it? It's when someone else comes along
>> with brand new way of doing things that we get a whole load of brand new
>> problems?
>>
> It really is the same guy. His blog said something to the effect of:
>
> "hal is a load of crap. I knew it long ago, the other devs knew it slightly
> less longer ago and the users now know it too. We were trying to do too much
> and shoehorn too many things into the same boxes that belonged in different
> boxes. I'm fed up trying to maintain this steaming mess, will not be adding
> new features, and wash my hands of it. I'll be doing a rewrite called
> DeviceKit."
>
> So kudos to the man for recognizing the real problem, admitting it, and moving
> onto a real solution. Nothing wrong with making a mistake and fixing it -
> that's how we learn.
>
> Personally, my mistakes teach me MUCH more than my successes - I then know
> what not to do :-)
>
>
That's what I am thinking. At least he knows hardware, how to write a
program and sees the big picture of how it turned out. That's why I
said I hope this new thing will be better. He sees where it got lost
and wants to make it better. Kudos for knowing it is better to start
from freaking scratch too. Think Bill Gates could ever do that? ROFL
Dale
:-) :-)
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2010-02-08 22:20 [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? Alan Mackenzie
2010-02-08 23:39 ` Iain Buchanan
2010-02-09 12:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-02-09 14:08 ` roundyz
2010-02-08 23:41 ` Paul Hartman
2010-02-09 0:19 ` Mark Knecht
2010-02-09 0:53 ` Dale
2010-02-08 23:42 ` Tom Hendrikx
2010-02-08 23:45 ` Mark Knecht
2010-02-09 2:17 ` Walter Dnes
2010-02-09 8:16 ` Dale
2010-02-09 10:47 ` Willie Wong
2010-02-09 11:11 ` Dale
2010-02-09 14:13 ` Mike Edenfield
2010-02-09 22:58 ` Dale
2010-02-10 0:47 ` Peter Humphrey
2010-02-10 1:02 ` Dale
2010-02-10 1:18 ` Peter Humphrey
2010-02-10 2:15 ` [gentoo-user] OT: " Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-10 2:30 ` Dale
2010-02-10 4:02 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2010-02-10 0:54 ` [gentoo-user] " Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-10 1:29 ` Dale
2010-02-10 7:12 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-10 8:24 ` Dale
2010-02-10 9:38 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-10 10:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-10 11:37 ` Dale [this message]
2010-02-10 10:24 ` Dale
2010-02-10 15:36 ` Mike Edenfield
2010-02-10 15:57 ` Dale
2010-02-10 16:15 ` J. Roeleveld
2010-02-10 18:10 ` Dale
2010-02-09 10:27 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-09 12:43 ` Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-09 13:33 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-09 14:10 ` Mark Knecht
2010-02-10 12:57 ` Walter Dnes
2010-02-10 13:16 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-10 14:18 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-10 14:29 ` Dale
2010-02-11 4:39 ` Iain Buchanan
2010-02-11 4:54 ` Dale
2010-02-11 6:44 ` Iain Buchanan
2010-02-11 9:03 ` Dale
2010-02-10 20:47 ` pk
2010-02-11 7:31 ` Walter Dnes
2010-02-11 8:05 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-11 21:40 ` Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-11 22:13 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-11 22:35 ` Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-11 22:53 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-11 22:56 ` Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-11 23:03 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-11 23:10 ` Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-11 23:21 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-11 23:42 ` Iain Buchanan
2010-02-11 23:50 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-11 23:31 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-11 23:52 ` Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-12 6:53 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-12 7:15 ` Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-12 2:24 ` [gentoo-user] " walt
2010-02-12 6:21 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-12 9:48 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-12 7:44 ` [gentoo-user] " Graham Murray
2010-02-12 7:51 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-12 8:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-12 9:42 ` Graham Murray
2010-02-12 10:20 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-14 14:48 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-12 10:47 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-12 19:23 ` pk
2010-02-12 19:30 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-12 20:06 ` pk
2010-02-12 20:15 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-13 0:27 ` Willie Wong
2010-02-12 22:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-13 10:17 ` pk
2010-02-13 10:47 ` Willie Wong
2010-02-13 7:33 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-13 11:02 ` pk
2010-02-14 14:46 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 15:17 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 15:29 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 17:09 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 18:38 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 18:46 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 18:52 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 19:08 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-11 23:26 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-12 19:38 ` pk
2010-02-12 19:46 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-12 20:14 ` pk
2010-02-12 20:25 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-12 21:39 ` pk
2010-02-12 22:13 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-13 9:43 ` pk
2010-02-13 10:16 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-14 14:59 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 15:15 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 15:31 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 17:19 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-14 18:44 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 19:08 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-17 14:26 ` [gentoo-user] fat libraries [WAS: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?] Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 19:50 ` [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? Alan McKinnon
2010-02-17 11:45 ` [gentoo-user] Rethinking binfmts [WAS: How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?] Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-17 16:13 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-13 10:12 ` [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? Alan McKinnon
2010-02-14 14:55 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-11 23:59 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-11 22:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-11 22:47 ` Zeerak Waseem
2010-02-11 23:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-14 14:40 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 19:39 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-11 16:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-13 6:39 ` Walter Dnes
2010-02-13 7:51 ` Graham Murray
2010-02-13 10:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-13 20:49 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-14 14:27 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-14 19:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2010-02-15 9:57 ` J. Roeleveld
2010-02-15 19:20 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-15 20:23 ` Mike Edenfield
2010-02-15 23:41 ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2010-02-16 19:00 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-16 8:23 ` J. Roeleveld
2010-02-16 14:32 ` Mike Edenfield
2010-02-16 18:05 ` Enrico Weigelt
2010-02-09 8:23 ` Alan McKinnon
2010-02-09 14:08 ` Mike Edenfield
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