[gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Dale]

Hi,

I'm using layman to keep KDE 3.5 installed and have a question.  I run 
eix-sync to sync my tree.  From what I see, it appears it also syncs the 
layman part as well.  Does it?  This is what I see:

[0] "gentoo" /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata-flat)            
     Reading 100%                                            
[1] "kde-sunset" /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset (cache: 
parse|ebuild*#metadata-flat#assign)
     Reading 100% 

I just want to make sure I am seeing this correctly. 

While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 is 
ready enough for me to use.  Do I just run layman -d all and unmerge 
layman?  Does that get the job done?

Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Johannes Kimmel]

Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using layman to keep KDE 3.5 installed and have a question.  I run 
> eix-sync to sync my tree.  From what I see, it appears it also syncs 
> the layman part as well.  Does it?  This is what I see:
>
> [0] "gentoo" /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata-flat)                
> Reading 100%                                            [1] 
> "kde-sunset" /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset (cache: 
> parse|ebuild*#metadata-flat#assign)
>     Reading 100%
> I just want to make sure I am seeing this correctly.
I dont't think so. "eix-sync" runs an "eix-update" after "emerge 
--sync". It just rereads the overlay, without "layman -S" in advance. 
You have to do that manually.
> While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 
> is ready enough for me to use.  Do I just run layman -d all and 
> unmerge layman?  Does that get the job done?
>
> Thanks much.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>

Maybe you want install kde4 first and then run "emerge --depclean" 
(after removing the overlay). In that way you had an backup if kde4 fails.

Johannes

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 12 November 2009 04:17:47 Dale wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm using layman to keep KDE 3.5 installed and have a question.  I run
> eix-sync to sync my tree.  From what I see, it appears it also syncs the
> layman part as well.  Does it?  This is what I see:
> 
> [0] "gentoo" /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata-flat)
>      Reading 100%
> [1] "kde-sunset" /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset (cache:
> parse|ebuild*#metadata-flat#assign)
>      Reading 100%
> 
> I just want to make sure I am seeing this correctly.

No, eix-sync does an emerge --sync and updates the local cache for portage and 
all overlays trees. To sync the overlays you need this:

layman -S && eix-sync

> While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 is
> ready enough for me to use.  Do I just run layman -d all and unmerge
> layman?  Does that get the job done?

Leave layman installed, it's useful. You also need it if you want the sunrise 
stuff.

Run KDE4 and 3.5 side by side for a bit till you are happy. They use different 
directories in ~ so they don't clash:

kde-3.5		~/.kde
kde-4		~/.kde4

then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the overlay

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 12 November 2009 04:17:47 Dale wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm using layman to keep KDE 3.5 installed and have a question.  I run
>> eix-sync to sync my tree.  From what I see, it appears it also syncs the
>> layman part as well.  Does it?  This is what I see:
>>
>> [0] "gentoo" /usr/portage/ (cache: metadata-flat)
>>      Reading 100%
>> [1] "kde-sunset" /usr/local/portage/layman/kde-sunset (cache:
>> parse|ebuild*#metadata-flat#assign)
>>      Reading 100%
>>
>> I just want to make sure I am seeing this correctly.
>>     
>
> No, eix-sync does an emerge --sync and updates the local cache for portage and 
> all overlays trees. To sync the overlays you need this:
>
> layman -S && eix-sync
>
>   

I'm wondering if something is set differently here.  After running 
eix-sync, there were updates from the layman part.  I got lines like this:

 >>> Fetching (15 of 16) kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
 >>> Fetching (16 of 16) kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.10 from kde-sunset

But also some like this:

 >>> Fetching (3 of 16) media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1
 >>> Fetching (5 of 16) sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1

I haven't changed any configs for layman except to add that one line to 
make.conf that tells it where where the source is.  This is odd.

>> While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 is
>> ready enough for me to use.  Do I just run layman -d all and unmerge
>> layman?  Does that get the job done?
>>     
>
> Leave layman installed, it's useful. You also need it if you want the sunrise 
> stuff.
>
> Run KDE4 and 3.5 side by side for a bit till you are happy. They use different 
> directories in ~ so they don't clash:
>
> kde-3.5		~/.kde
> kde-4		~/.kde4
>
> then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the overlay
>
>   

I thought they changed all that?  I have /usr/kde/3.5 but nothing for 
KDE 4.  Equery shows this:

root@smoker ~ # equery files kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3                     
[ Searching for packages matching kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3... ]           
* Contents of kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3:                                   
/etc                                                                    
/etc/xdg                                                                
/etc/xdg/menus                                                          
/etc/xdg/menus/kde-4.3-applications.menu                                
/usr                                                                    
/usr/bin                                                                
/usr/bin/checkXML                                                       
/usr/bin/kbuildsycoca4                                                  
/usr/bin/kconfig_compiler                                               
/usr/bin/kcookiejar4                                                    
/usr/bin/kde4-config                                                    
/usr/bin/kded4                                                          
/usr/bin/kdeinit4                                                       
/usr/bin/kdeinit4_shutdown                                              
/usr/bin/kdeinit4_wrapper                                               
/usr/bin/kjs                                                            
/usr/bin/kjscmd                                                         
/usr/bin/kross                                                          
/usr/bin/kshell4                                                        
/usr/bin/kunittestmodrunner                                             
/usr/bin/kwrapper4                                                      
/usr/bin/makekdewidgets                                                 
/usr/bin/meinproc4                                                      
/usr/bin/nepomuk-rcgen                                                  
/usr/bin/preparetips   

I used to have the kdeprefix flag set but they masked it. 

I do have both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4 installed.  It's just that some things 
don't work in KDE 4 yet.  I like it but I still use KDE 3.5 for the most 
part.  We been discussing this on the KDE list.

I'm just not a real big fan of this layman thing, yet anyway.  It may 
grow on me.  Who knows.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Daniel Pielmeier]

2009/11/12 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
>
> I'm wondering if something is set differently here.  After running eix-sync,
> there were updates from the layman part.  I got lines like this:
>
>>>> Fetching (15 of 16) kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
>>>> Fetching (16 of 16) kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
>
> But also some like this:
>
>>>> Fetching (3 of 16) media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1
>>>> Fetching (5 of 16) sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1
>
> I haven't changed any configs for layman except to add that one line to
> make.conf that tells it where where the source is.  This is odd.
>

You can edit /etc/eix-sync.conf to sync layman overlays with eix-sync.
I think adding a line with "*" there should be enough, but look up the
eix man page to be sure.

This way eix-sync does the following emerge --sync && layman -S && eix-update.

-- 
Daniel Pielmeier

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[James Ausmus]

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Daniel Pielmeier <billie@gentoo.org> wrote:

> 2009/11/12 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>:
> >
> > I'm wondering if something is set differently here.  After running
> eix-sync,
> > there were updates from the layman part.  I got lines like this:
> >
> >>>> Fetching (15 of 16) kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
> >>>> Fetching (16 of 16) kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
> >
> > But also some like this:
> >
> >>>> Fetching (3 of 16) media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1
> >>>> Fetching (5 of 16) sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1
> >
> > I haven't changed any configs for layman except to add that one line to
> > make.conf that tells it where where the source is.  This is odd.
> >
>
> You can edit /etc/eix-sync.conf to sync layman overlays with eix-sync.
> I think adding a line with "*" there should be enough, but look up the
> eix man page to be sure.
>

That's correct - all you need is a single line with an asterisk on it:

*

-James


>
> This way eix-sync does the following emerge --sync && layman -S &&
> eix-update.
>
> --
> Daniel Pielmeier
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Dale]

James Ausmus wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Daniel Pielmeier <billie@gentoo.org 
> <mailto:billie@gentoo.org>> wrote:
>
>     2009/11/12 Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com <mailto:rdalek1967@gmail.com>>:
>     >
>     > I'm wondering if something is set differently here.  After
>     running eix-sync,
>     > there were updates from the layman part.  I got lines like this:
>     >
>     >>>> Fetching (15 of 16) kde-base/konq-plugins-3.5.10 from kde-sunset
>     >>>> Fetching (16 of 16) kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-3.5.10 from
>     kde-sunset
>     >
>     > But also some like this:
>     >
>     >>>> Fetching (3 of 16) media-libs/libsdl-1.2.13-r1
>     >>>> Fetching (5 of 16) sci-calculators/kconvert-1.1-r1
>     >
>     > I haven't changed any configs for layman except to add that one
>     line to
>     > make.conf that tells it where where the source is.  This is odd.
>     >
>
>     You can edit /etc/eix-sync.conf to sync layman overlays with eix-sync.
>     I think adding a line with "*" there should be enough, but look up the
>     eix man page to be sure.
>
>
> That's correct - all you need is a single line with an asterisk on it:
>
> *
>
> -James
>  
>
>
>     This way eix-sync does the following emerge --sync && layman -S &&
>     eix-update.
>
>     --
>     Daniel Pielmeier
>
>

Like this:

root@smoker ~ # cat /etc/eix-sync.conf
*
root@smoker ~ #


I synced a bit ago so it may be a day or two before I sync again. 

Thanks much.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Frank Steinmetzger]

Am 12.11.2009 12:47, schrieb Dale:

> Alan McKinnon wrote:

>>> While I am here, I plan to get rid of all the layman stuff when KDE 4 is
>>> ready enough for me to use. Do I just run layman -d all and unmerge
>>> layman? Does that get the job done?
>>
>> Leave layman installed, it's useful. You also need it if you want the
>> sunrise stuff.
>>
>> Run KDE4 and 3.5 side by side for a bit till you are happy. They use
>> different directories in ~ so they don't clash:
>>
>> kde-3.5 ~/.kde
>> kde-4 ~/.kde4

The only "clash" I experience is that a kbuildsyoca (without the 4) in kde4 
environment causes kde3 quicklauncher to lose all contents except for the 
Kontact symbol, kcontrol becomes empty and nothing from the k-menu works. If I 
do the kbuildsycoca back in kde3, then log out and in again, everything is back 
to normal, only the Quicklauncher remains empty. I got used to it thanks to 
Katapult. :-)

>> then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the
>> overlay
>>
>
> I thought they changed all that? I have /usr/kde/3.5 but nothing for KDE
> 4. Equery shows this:
 > root@smoker ~ # equery files kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3

Alan spoke about the configs and app data in ~. kdelibs naturally installs into 
the system, not home. And if you don't enable the prefix useflag in the older 
version (I believe they removed it a while ago anyway), then it installs HFS 
compliantly into /usr instead of /usr/kde/$version.

PS.: I too use the kde3 overlay, as I am hesitant to switch as well. The bloody 
NVidia graphics driver causes regular flickering and sometimes it all hangs. I 
have orphaned entries in the task panel on a regular basis. KDM4 doesn't like 
my preferred font size. And until the Akregator devs have dealt with 
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=190616 I can't use Kontact 4 either.
-- 
Am 8. Tag schuf Gott das Bier, und seitdem hörte man nichts mehr von ihm.

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 12 November 2009 14:52:14 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
> >> then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the
> >> overlay
> >
> > I thought they changed all that? I have /usr/kde/3.5 but nothing for KDE
> > 4. Equery shows this:
> 
>  > root@smoker ~ # equery files kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3
> 
> Alan spoke about the configs and app data in ~. kdelibs naturally installs
>  into  the system, not home. And if you don't enable the prefix useflag in
>  the older version (I believe they removed it a while ago anyway), then it
>  installs HFS compliantly into /usr instead of /usr/kde/$version.
> 

Correct.

KDE-3.5 installs into /usr/kde3.5/
KDE-4 installs into /usr/

with kdeprefix, KDE-4 *used* to install into /usr/kde4.1, /usr/kde4.2, etc but 
this was a bad idea when it started and never got any better so it was canned. 
Full gory details in the KDE4 docs on gentoo.org.

Short version: Do not use kdeprefix. Ever.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Layman and eix-sync

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Thursday 12 November 2009 14:52:14 Frank Steinmetzger wrote:
>   
>>>> then unmerge all of kde-3.5, verify with depclean, then delete the
>>>> overlay
>>>>         
>>> I thought they changed all that? I have /usr/kde/3.5 but nothing for KDE
>>> 4. Equery shows this:
>>>       
>>  > root@smoker ~ # equery files kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.3
>>
>> Alan spoke about the configs and app data in ~. kdelibs naturally installs
>>  into  the system, not home. And if you don't enable the prefix useflag in
>>  the older version (I believe they removed it a while ago anyway), then it
>>  installs HFS compliantly into /usr instead of /usr/kde/$version.
>>
>>     
>
> Correct.
>
> KDE-3.5 installs into /usr/kde3.5/
> KDE-4 installs into /usr/
>
> with kdeprefix, KDE-4 *used* to install into /usr/kde4.1, /usr/kde4.2, etc but 
> this was a bad idea when it started and never got any better so it was canned. 
> Full gory details in the KDE4 docs on gentoo.org.
>
> Short version: Do not use kdeprefix. Ever.
>
>   

I wasn't thinking about the /home config but the KDE install itself.  
Now we are on the same page.  I see more clearly now.  They did 
mask/disable the kdeprefix USE flag.  It's not a "option" anymore.

There is a lot that I like about KDE 4 but it just isn't quite usable 
for everything I do just yet.  It's getting there tho.

Dale

:-)  :-)