[gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[Harry Putnam]

My profile has been 
    ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0

starting an update system today I'm told my profile is depricated and
to update to default/linux/x86/10.0

I've forgotten about how this is done.  Is it just a matter of 

  ln -sf
 /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 /etc/make.profile ?

Or does it involve something like a major regrind of every package?

A quick google with site:gentoo.org "change profile" shows dozens of
hits in forum messages, but I didn't notice a HOWTO or concise
walk-thru. 

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[Crístian Viana]

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yes, you can use ln to create a symlink to the new profile, or use eselect
to do it for you.

$ sudo eselect profile list
... check the number of default/linux/x86/10.0...
$ sudo eselect profile set <number>

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:

> My profile has been
>    ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0
>
> starting an update system today I'm told my profile is depricated and
> to update to default/linux/x86/10.0
>
> I've forgotten about how this is done.  Is it just a matter of
>
>  ln -sf
>  /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 /etc/make.profile ?
>
> Or does it involve something like a major regrind of every package?
>
> A quick google with site:gentoo.org "change profile" shows dozens of
> hits in forum messages, but I didn't notice a HOWTO or concise
> walk-thru.
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Crístian Deives dos Santos Viana [aka CD1]

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Re: [gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[Sebastian Beßler]

Am 27.10.2009 00:31, schrieb Harry Putnam:

> I've forgotten about how this is done.  Is it just a matter of 
> 
>   ln -sf
>  /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 /etc/make.profile ?

that or eselect profile set default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop
(assuming that you are a desktop-user)

That is all that is needed to do.
New or changeing USE-flags are set the next time you use
emerge -DuN world

Greetings

Sebastian

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:31:27 Harry Putnam wrote:
> My profile has been
>     ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0
> 
> starting an update system today I'm told my profile is depricated and
> to update to default/linux/x86/10.0
> 
> I've forgotten about how this is done.  Is it just a matter of
> 
>   ln -sf
>  /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 /etc/make.profile ?

yes

 
> Or does it involve something like a major regrind of every package?

no


> A quick google with site:gentoo.org "change profile" shows dozens of
> hits in forum messages, but I didn't notice a HOWTO or concise
> walk-thru.

It's in the gentoo docs - remember that long thing you read when you installed 
gentoo the first time, and probably haven't read again? yes, that one :-)

All a profile does is specify some default standard packages for system, 
default USE flags and some other various bits and pieces. Once you have set 
your make.conf up the way you want, very little in the way of profile changes 
affect you.

If you find forum posts that go on about large re-emerges of world and other 
nonsense, well you should understand that such comments represent the average 
level of cluelessness of your average forum user and you should treat it as 
such



-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[William Kenworthy]

rattus ~ # eselect profile list
Available profile symlink targets:
  [1]   default/linux/x86/10.0 *
  [2]   default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop
  [3]   default/linux/x86/10.0/developer
  [4]   default/linux/x86/10.0/server
  [5]   hardened/linux/x86/10.0
  [6]   selinux/2007.0/x86
  [7]   selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened
  [8]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86
  [9]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/desktop
  [10]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/developer
  [11]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/hardened
  [12]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/server
rattus ~ #




On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 18:31 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
> My profile has been 
>     ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0
> 
> starting an update system today I'm told my profile is depricated and
> to update to default/linux/x86/10.0
> 
> I've forgotten about how this is done.  Is it just a matter of 
> 
>   ln -sf
>  /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 /etc/make.profile ?
> 
> Or does it involve something like a major regrind of every package?
> 
> A quick google with site:gentoo.org "change profile" shows dozens of
> hits in forum messages, but I didn't notice a HOWTO or concise
> walk-thru. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
-- 
William Kenworthy <billk@iinet.net.au>
Home in Perth!

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:48:22 William Kenworthy wrote:
> rattus ~ # eselect profile list
> Available profile symlink targets:
>   [1]   default/linux/x86/10.0 *
>   [2]   default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop
>   [3]   default/linux/x86/10.0/developer
>   [4]   default/linux/x86/10.0/server
>   [5]   hardened/linux/x86/10.0
>   [6]   selinux/2007.0/x86
>   [7]   selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened
>   [8]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86
>   [9]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/desktop
>   [10]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/developer
>   [11]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/hardened
>   [12]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/server
> rattus ~ #

In almost all cases [2] or [4] is a better choice than [1]



> 
> On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 18:31 -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
> > My profile has been
> >     ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0
> >
> > starting an update system today I'm told my profile is depricated and
> > to update to default/linux/x86/10.0
> >
> > I've forgotten about how this is done.  Is it just a matter of
> >
> >   ln -sf
> >  /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 /etc/make.profile ?
> >
> > Or does it involve something like a major regrind of every package?
> >
> > A quick google with site:gentoo.org "change profile" shows dozens of
> > hits in forum messages, but I didn't notice a HOWTO or concise
> > walk-thru.
> 

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:31:27 Harry Putnam wrote:
>   
>> My profile has been
>>     ../usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/2008.0
>>
>> starting an update system today I'm told my profile is depricated and
>> to update to default/linux/x86/10.0
>>
>> I've forgotten about how this is done.  Is it just a matter of
>>
>>   ln -sf
>>  /usr/portage/profiles/default/linux/x86/10.0 /etc/make.profile ?
>>     
>
> yes
>
>  
>   
>> Or does it involve something like a major regrind of every package?
>>     
>
> no
>
>
>   
>> A quick google with site:gentoo.org "change profile" shows dozens of
>> hits in forum messages, but I didn't notice a HOWTO or concise
>> walk-thru.
>>     
>
> It's in the gentoo docs - remember that long thing you read when you installed 
> gentoo the first time, and probably haven't read again? yes, that one :-)
>
> All a profile does is specify some default standard packages for system, 
> default USE flags and some other various bits and pieces. Once you have set 
> your make.conf up the way you want, very little in the way of profile changes 
> affect you.
>
> If you find forum posts that go on about large re-emerges of world and other 
> nonsense, well you should understand that such comments represent the average 
> level of cluelessness of your average forum user and you should treat it as 
> such
>
>
>
>   

Yep, I synced the tree, did the profile change and I think I had like
two upgrades.  I'm pretty sure I would have had those even if I hadn't
changed the profile.

It is possible to have a lot of packages with changes but not to
likely.  I subscribe to -dev so I can see most of the screw-ups that are
headed my way.  Let's not get started on that hal and xorg-server thing
again tho.  That one surprised me for sure.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[W.Kenworthy]

On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 01:52 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:48:22 William Kenworthy wrote:
> > rattus ~ # eselect profile list
> > Available profile symlink targets:
> >   [1]   default/linux/x86/10.0 *
> >   [2]   default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop
> >   [3]   default/linux/x86/10.0/developer
> >   [4]   default/linux/x86/10.0/server
> >   [5]   hardened/linux/x86/10.0
> >   [6]   selinux/2007.0/x86
> >   [7]   selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened
> >   [8]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86
> >   [9]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/desktop
> >   [10]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/developer
> >   [11]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/hardened
> >   [12]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/server
> > rattus ~ #
> 
> In almost all cases [2] or [4] is a better choice than [1]
> 
> 
> 

I wouldnt think so - I have a lot of server apps and desktop apps, even
on my laptop and main server at home.  I dont have such a thing as a
pure server or a pure desktop so I stuck with this.  I did change to
desktop once on my laptop and didnt like the number of changes I would
need to revert so didnt proceed.  I my personal opinion is that having
developer, server and desktop profiles for gentoo is just stupid.
redhat/Mandrake etc have had this for a long time and they just are a
way to start customising the system - dont save much at all.  

I guess the question is where do you start customising from? - a
desktop, a server or gentoo 1.1b circa 1999 (if memory serves me
correctly) which is where some of my systems (including the one above)
started :)


BillK

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Harry Putnam]

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:

>>   [1]   default/linux/x86/10.0 *
>>   [2]   default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop
>>   [3]   default/linux/x86/10.0/developer
>>   [4]   default/linux/x86/10.0/server
>>   [5]   hardened/linux/x86/10.0
>>   [6]   selinux/2007.0/x86
>>   [7]   selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened
>>   [8]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86
>>   [9]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/desktop
>>   [10]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/developer
>>   [11]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/hardened
>>   [12]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/server
>> rattus ~ #
>
> In almost all cases [2] or [4] is a better choice than [1]

Alan, what does it get you?  In fact what does `developer' buy you?

Re: [gentoo-user] emerge advises upgrade profile

[Dale]

W.Kenworthy wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-10-27 at 01:52 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
>   
>> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 01:48:22 William Kenworthy wrote:
>>     
>>> rattus ~ # eselect profile list
>>> Available profile symlink targets:
>>>   [1]   default/linux/x86/10.0 *
>>>   [2]   default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop
>>>   [3]   default/linux/x86/10.0/developer
>>>   [4]   default/linux/x86/10.0/server
>>>   [5]   hardened/linux/x86/10.0
>>>   [6]   selinux/2007.0/x86
>>>   [7]   selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened
>>>   [8]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86
>>>   [9]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/desktop
>>>   [10]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/developer
>>>   [11]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/hardened
>>>   [12]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/server
>>> rattus ~ #
>>>       
>> In almost all cases [2] or [4] is a better choice than [1]
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
> I wouldnt think so - I have a lot of server apps and desktop apps, even
> on my laptop and main server at home.  I dont have such a thing as a
> pure server or a pure desktop so I stuck with this.  I did change to
> desktop once on my laptop and didnt like the number of changes I would
> need to revert so didnt proceed.  I my personal opinion is that having
> developer, server and desktop profiles for gentoo is just stupid.
> redhat/Mandrake etc have had this for a long time and they just are a
> way to start customising the system - dont save much at all.  
>
> I guess the question is where do you start customising from? - a
> desktop, a server or gentoo 1.1b circa 1999 (if memory serves me
> correctly) which is where some of my systems (including the one above)
> started :)
>
>
> BillK
>
>   

Well, I read you can put something in your make.conf USE line that
disables most of the profile.  I think it is
"-*" or something like that.  It disables the USE part at least.  You
can then start with basically nothing and build your own. 

Want to hear something else funny, there is talk of having a KDE profile
and some have mentioned a Gnome profile as well. 

No matter what you chose to use, you can still override the settings if
you need to.  That's what make.conf is for. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Jonathan Callen]

Harry Putnam wrote:
> In fact what does `developer' buy you?

Among other things, it enables I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING, which tells you
the expected audience :).  Seriously, the developer profiles are mainly
for Gentoo Devs, people who are going to be doing a lot of debugging and
testing of ebuilds.  If you don't know if this is you, it isn't.

-- 
Jonathan

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 05:23:25 Harry Putnam wrote:
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:
> >>   [1]   default/linux/x86/10.0 *
> >>   [2]   default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop
> >>   [3]   default/linux/x86/10.0/developer
> >>   [4]   default/linux/x86/10.0/server
> >>   [5]   hardened/linux/x86/10.0
> >>   [6]   selinux/2007.0/x86
> >>   [7]   selinux/2007.0/x86/hardened
> >>   [8]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86
> >>   [9]   selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/desktop
> >>   [10]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/developer
> >>   [11]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/hardened
> >>   [12]  selinux/v2refpolicy/x86/server
> >> rattus ~ #
> >
> > In almost all cases [2] or [4] is a better choice than [1]
> 
> Alan, what does it get you?  In fact what does `developer' buy you?

x86/10.0 gives you a baseline for that release
x86/10.0/desktop|developer|server give you a profile more suited (tweaked) for 
that kind of usage.

Examine the profiles and follow the paths in the "parent files" to see what's 
in them (I indented stuff and removed comments for clarity):

x86/10.0:

  make.defaults:
    # Adding this one, since it makes sense.
    USE="${USE} bzip2"

  packages:
    >=sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.10-r5
    >=sys-devel/binutils-2.18-r1
    >=sys-libs/glibc-2.4-r4
    >=sys-apps/portage-2.1.6.8
 
x86/10.0/desktop:

  make.defaults:
    USE="a52 aac acpi alsa branding cairo cdr dbus dts dvd dvdr eds emboss
    encode evo fam firefox flac gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk hal jpeg kde ldap
    libnotify mad mikmod mp3 mp4 mpeg ogg opengl pdf png ppds qt3support qt4
    quicktime sdl spell svg thunar tiff truetype vorbis win32codecs unicode
    usb X x264 xml xulrunner xv xvid"

    # This is added for GNOME/Xfce
    USE="${USE} startup-notification"

    # Adding this for bluetooth support
    USE="${USE} bluetooth consolekit"

  package.use:
    # While we may need LDAP client support, who needs the server on a
    desktop?
    # Did I mention that this also fixes the horrible perl dependency hell,
    too?
    net-nds/openldap minimal

x86/10.0/server:

  make.defaults:
    USE="apache2 ldap mysql snmp truetype xml"

x86/10.0/developer:

  parent:
    ../server
    ../desktop
   FEATURES="collision-protect cvs digest multilib-strict sign splitdebug
   stricter test userpriv usersandbox"

   # Disable branding (from desktop)
   USE="-branding"

   # As much as it pains me, we hope that developers know what they're doing.
   I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING="yes"

   # Enable asneeded for GNU ld.
   LD_AS_NEEDED="1"




The desktop choices are pretty sane. Most of those USE flags are things you 
would set anyway on the average desktop, and it's much easier to remove the 
few you might not want from the default than to add that long list to 
make.conf yourself.

"server" really just adds apache and mysql.

"developer" is the union between desktop and server.

But none of this is prescriptive. If you feel you need something quite 
different from "desktop", it's OK to use something else. The desktop profile 
is just a convenience but an extremely handy one.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Justin]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
>    # As much as it pains me, we hope that developers know what they're doing.
>    I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING="yes"
> 



> "developer" is the union between desktop and server.
> 
The developer profile is primarily intended to be used by Gentoo
developer, not for Software developer in general.

Just for information.


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[gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Harry Putnam]

Jonathan Callen <abcd@gentoo.org> writes:

> Harry Putnam wrote:
>> In fact what does `developer' buy you?
>
> Among other things, it enables I_KNOW_WHAT_I_AM_DOING, which tells you
> the expected audience :).  Seriously, the developer profiles are mainly
> for Gentoo Devs, people who are going to be doing a lot of debugging and
> testing of ebuilds.  If you don't know if this is you, it isn't.

He he... well put I guess... but I've found over time in other aspects
of the linux/unix world... that what is intended for devs or other
`adepts' can often have useful stuff even for a pea-brain like me.

It doesn't mean you have to get involved in actual developement.

[gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Harry Putnam]

Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:

>> Alan, what does it get you?  In fact what does `developer' buy you?
>
> x86/10.0 gives you a baseline for that release
> x86/10.0/desktop|developer|server give you a profile more suited (tweaked) for 
> that kind of usage.

[...]

Nice.. thanks
I see I already have most of use flags in the desktop, and already
have apache and mysql too.. so looks like I'm good to go but for
changing the symlink.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 28 October 2009 18:52:33 Harry Putnam wrote:
> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:
> >> Alan, what does it get you?  In fact what does `developer' buy you?
> >
> > x86/10.0 gives you a baseline for that release
> > x86/10.0/desktop|developer|server give you a profile more suited
> > (tweaked) for that kind of usage.
> 
> [...]
> 
> Nice.. thanks
> I see I already have most of use flags in the desktop, and already
> have apache and mysql too.. so looks like I'm good to go but for
> changing the symlink.

A useful side-effect showed up with profiles in the last few days. 
Openoffice.org integration with KDE is broken - sometimes it doesn't build, 
sometimes it doesn't run and as the devs try out new patches it actually 
sometimes works :-)

As a user, you want to be insulated from this nonsense of stuff breaking 
mysteriously. So appropriate masks go into profiles, where you simply cannot 
enable a certain USE flag for a specific package if it will not work.

This particular case went into base/ so every profile benefited. But if it 
affected just say Intel, then the current x86 and amd64 profiles desktop could 
have been updated and you would benefit. Using an ultra-minimal (or not 
supported anymore) profile, you wouldn't.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 October 2009 18:52:33 Harry Putnam wrote:
>   
>> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> writes:
>>     
>>>> Alan, what does it get you?  In fact what does `developer' buy you?
>>>>         
>>> x86/10.0 gives you a baseline for that release
>>> x86/10.0/desktop|developer|server give you a profile more suited
>>> (tweaked) for that kind of usage.
>>>       
>> [...]
>>
>> Nice.. thanks
>> I see I already have most of use flags in the desktop, and already
>> have apache and mysql too.. so looks like I'm good to go but for
>> changing the symlink.
>>     
>
> A useful side-effect showed up with profiles in the last few days. 
> Openoffice.org integration with KDE is broken - sometimes it doesn't build, 
> sometimes it doesn't run and as the devs try out new patches it actually 
> sometimes works :-)
>
>   

So this is why OOo won't compile all of a sudden.  May have to put -kde
in package.use then.  See if that helps.

Thanks Alan. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P. S.  Should I report the failure or do they already know about this? 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: emerge advises upgrade profile

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 29 October 2009 00:03:36 Dale wrote:

> So this is why OOo won't compile all of a sudden.  May have to put -kde
> in package.use then.  See if that helps.
> 
> Thanks Alan.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 
> P. S.  Should I report the failure or do they already know about this?

The bug report shows it's been changed back and forth several times recently. 
So yeah, the devs know about it :-)


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com