[gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dave Jones]

Hi

Ran an eix-sync followed by an emerge -puDNv world.

It reported that my 'profile' was no longer supported, and suggested
switching to the 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop', which I did.

Retried the emerge -puDNv world, with the following result:

emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
">=x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.0:4[mysql]".
!!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
- x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.2 (Change USE: +mysql)
(dependency required by "app-office/akonadi-server-1.2.1" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.1" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-base/kdnssd-4.3.1" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-base/kcontrol-4.3.1" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-meta-4.3.1" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "world" [argument])

Result of 'eix x11-libs/qt-sql' :

[I] x11-libs/qt-sql
Available versions:  (4)  4.4.2 4.4.2-r1 4.5.1 4.5.2 ~4.5.3
        {debug firebird iconv mysql odbc pch postgres qt3support sqlite}
Installed versions:  4.5.2(4)(20:32:44 10/10/09)(iconv qt3support sqlite
-debug -firebird -mysql -odbc -pch -postgres)

I do not want either mysql or KDE4 on my 'stable' desktop host.

Any ideas what's happening?  Or how to fix it without installing mysql?

Cheers, Dave

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 24 October 2009 01:25:44 Dave Jones wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Ran an eix-sync followed by an emerge -puDNv world.
> 
> It reported that my 'profile' was no longer supported, and suggested
> switching to the 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop', which I did.
> 
> Retried the emerge -puDNv world, with the following result:
> 
> emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
> ">=x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.0:4[mysql]".
> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
> - x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.2 (Change USE: +mysql)
> (dependency required by "app-office/akonadi-server-1.2.1" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.1" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdnssd-4.3.1" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kcontrol-4.3.1" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-meta-4.3.1" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "world" [argument])
> 
> Result of 'eix x11-libs/qt-sql' :
> 
> [I] x11-libs/qt-sql
> Available versions:  (4)  4.4.2 4.4.2-r1 4.5.1 4.5.2 ~4.5.3
>         {debug firebird iconv mysql odbc pch postgres qt3support sqlite}
> Installed versions:  4.5.2(4)(20:32:44 10/10/09)(iconv qt3support sqlite
> -debug -firebird -mysql -odbc -pch -postgres)
> 
> I do not want either mysql or KDE4 on my 'stable' desktop host.
> 
> Any ideas what's happening?  Or how to fix it without installing mysql?


This has been hashed to death many many many many times in recent weeks. Just 
like the KDE upgrade before that, and the libxcb thing, xorg-1.6, and 
dbus/hal.

Please search the mail archives. Or read your elogs, it's all in there.


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dave Jones]

Alan McKinnon wrote on 24/10/09 01:39:
> On Saturday 24 October 2009 01:25:44 Dave Jones wrote:
>> Ran an eix-sync followed by an emerge -puDNv world.
>> It reported that my 'profile' was no longer supported, and suggested
>> switching to the 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop', which I did.

>> Retried the emerge -puDNv world, with the following result:
>> emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
>> ">=x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.0:4[mysql]".
>> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
>> - x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.2 (Change USE: +mysql)
>> (dependency required by "app-office/akonadi-server-1.2.1" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.1" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdnssd-4.3.1" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "kde-base/kcontrol-4.3.1" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-meta-4.3.1" [ebuild])
>> (dependency required by "world" [argument])

>> Result of 'eix x11-libs/qt-sql' :
>> I do not want either mysql or KDE4 on my 'stable' desktop host.
>> Any ideas what's happening?  Or how to fix it without installing mysql?

> This has been hashed to death many many many many times in recent weeks. Just 
> like the KDE upgrade before that, and the libxcb thing, xorg-1.6, and 
> dbus/hal.

> Please search the mail archives. Or read your elogs, it's all in there.

Alan, thank you for your 'RTFM' reply. which is utterly useless either
to me or any other follower of the gentoo-user mail group.

My question concerns an apparent new requirement for mysql. Your asides
about xorg-1.6, libxcb, dbus/hal do not seem to be relevant in any way.

Any (helpful) takers out there?

Cheers, Dave

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[waltdnes]

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 02:02:16AM +0200, Dave Jones wrote

> My question concerns an apparent new requirement for mysql. Your
> asides about xorg-1.6, libxcb, dbus/hal do not seem to be relevant
> in any way.
> 
> Any (helpful) takers out there?

  It looks like yes, MySql is compulsory now.  See...
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3F
read it and weep.

-- 
Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>

[gentoo-user] Re: Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Doug Hunley]

Um, I have this in package.use:
akonadi-server:app-office/akonadi-server sqlite -mysql
kde-meta:kde-base/kde-meta -mysql
qt-sql:x11-libs/qt-sql postgres -mysql

and do _not_ have MySQL installed. I have noticed zero functionality
loss in my KDE4 desktop. FWIW.



On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 22:19,  <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 02:02:16AM +0200, Dave Jones wrote
>
>> My question concerns an apparent new requirement for mysql. Your
>> asides about xorg-1.6, libxcb, dbus/hal do not seem to be relevant
>> in any way.
>>
>> Any (helpful) takers out there?
>
>  It looks like yes, MySql is compulsory now.  See...
> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi#Which_DBMS_does_Akonadi_use.3F
> read it and weep.
>
> --
> Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
>
>



-- 
Douglas J Hunley, RHCT
doug.hunley@gmail.com : http://douglasjhunley.com : Twitter: @hunleyd

Obsessively opposed to the typical.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Mick]

2009/10/27 Doug Hunley <doug@hunley.homeip.net>:
> Um, I have this in package.use:
> akonadi-server:app-office/akonadi-server sqlite -mysql
> kde-meta:kde-base/kde-meta -mysql
> qt-sql:x11-libs/qt-sql postgres -mysql
>
> and do _not_ have MySQL installed. I have noticed zero functionality
> loss in my KDE4 desktop. FWIW.

Do you get akonadi popping up and trying to start every time you start
kmail, knode, kopete, etc.?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

[gentoo-user] Re: Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Doug Hunley]

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 13:18, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/10/27 Doug Hunley <doug@hunley.homeip.net>:
>> Um, I have this in package.use:
>> akonadi-server:app-office/akonadi-server sqlite -mysql
>> kde-meta:kde-base/kde-meta -mysql
>> qt-sql:x11-libs/qt-sql postgres -mysql
>>
>> and do _not_ have MySQL installed. I have noticed zero functionality
>> loss in my KDE4 desktop. FWIW.
>
> Do you get akonadi popping up and trying to start every time you start
> kmail, knode, kopete, etc.?

I only use kmail from that list, but no, it doesn't pop-up anywhere
that I notice


-- 
Douglas J Hunley, RHCT
doug.hunley@gmail.com : http://douglasjhunley.com : Twitter: @hunleyd

Obsessively opposed to the typical.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 24 Oktober 2009, Dave Jones wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote on 24/10/09 01:39:
> > On Saturday 24 October 2009 01:25:44 Dave Jones wrote:
> >> Ran an eix-sync followed by an emerge -puDNv world.
> >> It reported that my 'profile' was no longer supported, and suggested
> >> switching to the 'default/linux/x86/10.0/desktop', which I did.
> >>
> >> Retried the emerge -puDNv world, with the following result:
> >> emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
> >> ">=x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.0:4[mysql]".
> >> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
> >> - x11-libs/qt-sql-4.5.2 (Change USE: +mysql)
> >> (dependency required by "app-office/akonadi-server-1.2.1" [ebuild])
> >> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.1" [ebuild])
> >> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdnssd-4.3.1" [ebuild])
> >> (dependency required by "kde-base/kcontrol-4.3.1" [ebuild])
> >> (dependency required by "kde-base/kdebase-meta-4.3.1" [ebuild])
> >> (dependency required by "world" [argument])
> >>
> >> Result of 'eix x11-libs/qt-sql' :
> >> I do not want either mysql or KDE4 on my 'stable' desktop host.
> >> Any ideas what's happening?  Or how to fix it without installing mysql?
> >
> > This has been hashed to death many many many many times in recent weeks.
> > Just like the KDE upgrade before that, and the libxcb thing, xorg-1.6,
> > and dbus/hal.
> >
> > Please search the mail archives. Or read your elogs, it's all in there.
> 
> Alan, thank you for your 'RTFM' reply. which is utterly useless either
> to me or any other follower of the gentoo-user mail group.
> 
> My question concerns an apparent new requirement for mysql. Your asides
> about xorg-1.6, libxcb, dbus/hal do not seem to be relevant in any way.
> 
> Any (helpful) takers out there?
> 
> Cheers, Dave
> 

well, how to mask packages to prevent the installation of unwanted versions 
has been hashed to death many, many many times too..

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:02:16 +0200, Dave Jones wrote:

> Alan, thank you for your 'RTFM' reply. which is utterly useless either
> to me or any other follower of the gentoo-user mail group.

Seeing as how this has been discussed in the last two days, I don't see
how Alan's advice is useless. The question has been asked and people have
taken the time and trouble to answer it. Why should they do it again when
you could just as easily find the previous answer yourself.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

If Microsoft made cars:
"The airbag system would ask "are you sure?" before deploying."

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dave Jones]

Neil Bothwick wrote on 24/10/09 09:53:
> On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:02:16 +0200, Dave Jones wrote:

>> Alan, thank you for your 'RTFM' reply. which is utterly useless either
>> to me or any other follower of the gentoo-user mail group.

> Seeing as how this has been discussed in the last two days, I don't see
> how Alan's advice is useless. The question has been asked and people have
> taken the time and trouble to answer it. Why should they do it again when
> you could just as easily find the previous answer yourself.

Another 'RTFM' message, thanks.

I'll answer my own question, including detail which may be useful to
other users:

emerge PyQt with USE=webkit sql

I had installed a few kde-meta packages rather than the full kde-meta.

eix -I kde | grep meta      list your installed kde-meta packages

Add the kde4 versions of those meta packages to package.mask:

(Sample) package.mask to mask kde4:

=kde-base/kdeaddons-meta-4*
=kde-base/kdeadmin-meta-4*
=kde-base/kdeartwork-meta-4*
=kde-base/kdebase-meta-4*
=kde-base/kdemultimedia-meta-4*
=kde-base/kdeutils-meta-4*
# Mask non-meta kde installed package:
=kde-base/kdenetwork-filesharing-4*
# Requires kdelibs-4, mask
=media-video/kmplayer-0.11*
# Required by kde4, requires mysql by default.
app-office/akonadi-server

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 24 October 2009 14:58:00 Dave Jones wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote on 24/10/09 09:53:
> > On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:02:16 +0200, Dave Jones wrote:
> >> Alan, thank you for your 'RTFM' reply. which is utterly useless either
> >> to me or any other follower of the gentoo-user mail group.
> >
> > Seeing as how this has been discussed in the last two days, I don't see
> > how Alan's advice is useless. The question has been asked and people have
> > taken the time and trouble to answer it. Why should they do it again when
> > you could just as easily find the previous answer yourself.
> 
> Another 'RTFM' message, thanks.
> 
> I'll answer my own question, including detail which may be useful to
> other users:

It's only useless so you since you have not done the usual research yourself 
yet; and it will continue to be useless until you do so.

As others have said, the answer is in the list archives. The detail contained 
therein is likely even more than you need, but it is there. The asides I 
listed are there to demonstrate and point out that large numbers of similar 
questions are also repeatedly answered therein, along with the multitude of 
repeat posts on their respective subjects.

I'm sorry you found my answer less than informative and perhaps even somewhat 
insulting, obviously I worded it incorrectly. But you see, your "aw gawd, an 
'RTFM' answer..." is the identical reaction to my original "aw gawd, a 'do my 
homework for me' question".

Ponder that a little.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dave Jones]

Alan McKinnon wrote on 24/10/09 22:18:
>>> Why should they do it again when you could just as easily find
>>> the previous answer yourself.

>> I'll answer my own question, including detail which may be useful
>> to other users

> It's only useless so you since you have not done the usual research
> yourself yet; and it will continue to be useless until you do so.

How presumptuous of you to say so.  Has the gentoo-user group become the
resource of last-resort?  Has gentoo-user become restricted, to be used
only when all other avenues of exploration have been exhausted?  If that
is so, then shame on me, I must have missed that announcement too.

> I'm sorry you found my answer less than informative and perhaps even
> somewhat insulting, obviously I worded it incorrectly. But you see,
> your "aw gawd, an 'RTFM' answer..." is the identical reaction to my
> original "aw gawd, a 'do my homework for me' question".

> Ponder that a little.

Your RTFM reply arrived 14 minutes after my question. It clearly showed
that you were aware of the answer to my question. A reference to any of
the relevant threads would have been very helpful, and would have been
much appreciated.

However, an answer which merely states that the question has already
been answered, but lacking any further reference to the existing answer
is utterly worthless.

Please consider the futility of uninformative answers to questions.

Do you seriously believe that a question can only ever be posed (and
answered) once?

You are entirely free to chose whether you answer a question or not.
However, if you don't want to answer in a helpful manner, it would be
better to leave the question unanswered.

Should you wish to discuss this further, feel free to contact me off-list.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:51:05 +0200, Dave Jones wrote:

> How presumptuous of you to say so.  Has the gentoo-user group become the
> resource of last-resort?  Has gentoo-user become restricted, to be used
> only when all other avenues of exploration have been exhausted?  If that
> is so, then shame on me, I must have missed that announcement too.

Do we now need announcements to tell people that they should search list
archives before posting a question if they do not regularly read list
content?

I suppose you're also in favour of McDonalds putting "Warning, contents
may be hot" notices of their coffee cups?

It seems to be increasingly unreasonable to expect a certain amount of
common sense and willingness to help oneself, even among Gentoo users.

-- 
Neil Bothwick

I typed Format SER: and accidentally killed a telephone operator!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dave Jones]

Neil Bothwick wrote on 25/10/09 00:51:
> I suppose you're also in favour of McDonalds putting "Warning, contents
> may be hot" notices of their coffee cups?

Off topic?

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:11:28 +0100, Dave Jones wrote:

> > I suppose you're also in favour of McDonalds putting "Warning,
> > contents may be hot" notices of their coffee cups?  
> 
> Off topic?

Only when taken out of context.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

A. Top posters.
Q. What is the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Mick]

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On Sunday 25 October 2009 10:43:41 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:11:28 +0100, Dave Jones wrote:

Back on topic I hope, it seems to me that KDE4 has made certain choices which 
detract from the Gentoo way of being able to run lean and mean should you 
choose to do so.  I am waiting to see if sqlite is going to improve its code 
to be able to play with akonadi in KDE4.  I guess that until then I will have 
to put up with the few seconds that akonadi tries to start, searches and then 
fails to find mysql.

Not sure if this is a signal of maturity, or if KDE is becoming as bloated as 
Gnome was considered to be a couple of years ago (for the most belligerent on 
this list pls don't take this as an opportunity to restart another ancient 
flamewar, I'm just making a cursory observation).
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:08:12 +0000, Mick wrote:

> I guess that until then I will have 
> to put up with the few seconds that akonadi tries to start, searches
> and then fails to find mysql.

Or turn off desktop searching, as I have on my notebook with a noticeable
improvement in responsiveness.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

"A computer is like an Old Testament god, with a lot of rules and no
mercy." \xA0-- Joseph Campbell

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Sonntag 25 Oktober 2009 13:05:53 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:08:12 +0000, Mick wrote:
> > I guess that until then I will have
> > to put up with the few seconds that akonadi tries to start, searches
> > and then fails to find mysql.
> 
> Or turn off desktop searching, as I have on my notebook with a noticeable
> improvement in responsiveness.

How would that affect akonadi?

Bye...

	Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Mick]

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On Sunday 25 October 2009 12:30:32 Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Sonntag 25 Oktober 2009 13:05:53 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> > On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:08:12 +0000, Mick wrote:
> > > I guess that until then I will have
> > > to put up with the few seconds that akonadi tries to start, searches
> > > and then fails to find mysql.
> >
> > Or turn off desktop searching, as I have on my notebook with a noticeable
> > improvement in responsiveness.
> 
> How would that affect akonadi?

I am not sure if I am doing this right ... started kde, went into system 
settings and switched off neponuke (strigi was already switched off) - but as 
Dirk says akonadi still starts up when I launch kmail.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:30:32 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

> > Or turn off desktop searching, as I have on my notebook with a
> > noticeable improvement in responsiveness.  
> 
> How would that affect akonadi?

Because you no longer need it. Set USE="-semantic-desktop" and akonadi
isn't even installed.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Q: How many accountants does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: What kind of answer did you have in mind?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Sonntag 25 Oktober 2009 14:18:45 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:30:32 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > > Or turn off desktop searching, as I have on my notebook with a
> > > noticeable improvement in responsiveness.
> >
> > How would that affect akonadi?
> 
> Because you no longer need it. Set USE="-semantic-desktop" and akonadi
> isn't even installed.

akonadi is an unconditional dep of kdepim. It's about storing PIM data, not 
desktop searching (strigi/nepomuk).

Bye...

	Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Mick]

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On Sunday 25 October 2009 13:35:30 Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Sonntag 25 Oktober 2009 14:18:45 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
> > On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:30:32 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> > > > Or turn off desktop searching, as I have on my notebook with a
> > > > noticeable improvement in responsiveness.
> > >
> > > How would that affect akonadi?
> >
> > Because you no longer need it. Set USE="-semantic-desktop" and akonadi
> > isn't even installed.
> 
> akonadi is an unconditional dep of kdepim. It's about storing PIM data, not
> desktop searching (strigi/nepomuk).
> 
> Bye...
> 
> 	Dirk
> 
I set -semantic-desktop in my /etc/make.conf.  I unmerged akonadi.  Then 
remerged:

 kde-base/kdelibs 
 kde-base/gwenview 
 kde-base/kget 
 kde-base/dolphin 
 kde-base/kmail 
 kde-base/kdebase-meta 
 kde-base/kdeaddons-meta

These were all the packages that contained a semantic-desktop USE flag.  Now I 
get this:

# emerge -uatDv world

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[nomerge      ] kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.3.1  USE="(-kdeprefix)" 
[ebuild  N    ]  kde-base/akonadi-4.3.1  USE="(-aqua) -debug (-kdeprefix) -
semantic-desktop" 0 kB

Which I guess proves the point that Dirk is making.  If I were to emerge 
akonadi again, will it pop up everytime I start kmail, knode, etc?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 22:19:11 Mick wrote:

> # emerge -uatDv world
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [nomerge      ] kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.3.1  USE="(-kdeprefix)"
> [ebuild  N    ]  kde-base/akonadi-4.3.1  USE="(-aqua) -debug (-kdeprefix) -
> semantic-desktop" 0 kB

Yes, you can't avoid having at least akonadi-server merged with kmail, it's a 
hard dep on kdepimlibs:

$ equery depends akonadi-server
 * Searching for akonadi-server ...
kde-base/akonadi-4.3.2 (>=app-office/akonadi-server-1.2.1)
kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 (>=app-office/akonadi-server-1.2.0)


> Which I guess proves the point that Dirk is making.  If I were to emerge
> akonadi again, will it pop up everytime I start kmail, knode, etc?

No, at least mine doesn't here.
 
I forget exactly what I did to achieve this, it was something like having 
trouble getting akonadi to work right, so I set all the kdepim apps to use the 
resource files directly in the fashion of KDE-3.5
-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot
 com

Fwd: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Mick]

2009/10/25 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>:
> On Sunday 25 October 2009 22:19:11 Mick wrote:
>
>> # emerge -uatDv world
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>> [nomerge      ] kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.3.1  USE="(-kdeprefix)"
>> [ebuild  N    ]  kde-base/akonadi-4.3.1  USE="(-aqua) -debug (-kdeprefix) -
>> semantic-desktop" 0 kB
>
> Yes, you can't avoid having at least akonadi-server merged with kmail, it's a
> hard dep on kdepimlibs:
>
> $ equery depends akonadi-server
>  * Searching for akonadi-server ...
> kde-base/akonadi-4.3.2 (>=app-office/akonadi-server-1.2.1)
> kde-base/kdepimlibs-4.3.2 (>=app-office/akonadi-server-1.2.0)
>
>
>> Which I guess proves the point that Dirk is making.  If I were to emerge
>> akonadi again, will it pop up everytime I start kmail, knode, etc?
>
> No, at least mine doesn't here.
>
> I forget exactly what I did to achieve this, it was something like having
> trouble getting akonadi to work right, so I set all the kdepim apps to use the
> resource files directly in the fashion of KDE-3.5

Can you please share what you did on your system to make this happen
if you can remember?  Over here kde-base/akonadi is dragged in by
kde-base/kdepim-meta and I haven't found a way to disable it.  Every
time I fire up kmail it starts up and causes delay as it fails to
find/start mysqld.

I have unmerged nepomuke and all related packages have been remerged
with -semantic-desktop set in /etc/make.conf:

# euse -I semantic-desktop
global use flags (searching: semantic-desktop)
************************************************************
[- c  ] semantic-desktop - Cross-KDE support for semantic search and
information retrieval

Installed packages matching this USE flag:
kde-base/akonadi-4.3.1
kde-base/dolphin-4.3.1-r1
kde-base/gwenview-4.3.1
kde-base/kdebase-meta-4.3.1
kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.1-r2
kde-base/kget-4.3.1
kde-base/kmail-4.3.1-r1
kde-base/pykde4-4.3.1

local use flags (searching: semantic-desktop)
************************************************************
[- c  ] semantic-desktop (kde-base/dolphin):
 Semantic desktop allows for storage of digital information and its
metadata to allow the user to express his personal mental models,
making all information become intuitively accessible.
--
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 26 October 2009 16:26:23 Mick wrote:
> >> Which I guess proves the point that Dirk is making.  If I were to emerge
> >> akonadi again, will it pop up everytime I start kmail, knode, etc?
> >
> > No, at least mine doesn't here.
> >
> > I forget exactly what I did to achieve this, it was something like having
> > trouble getting akonadi to work right, so I set all the kdepim apps to
> > use the resource files directly in the fashion of KDE-3.5
> 
> Can you please share what you did on your system to make this happen
> if you can remember?  Over here kde-base/akonadi is dragged in by
> kde-base/kdepim-meta and I haven't found a way to disable it.  Every
> time I fire up kmail it starts up and causes delay as it fails to
> find/start mysqld.

SystemSettings -> Resources

Create the conventional addressbooks as files in 
~/.kde4/share/kde4/services/resources - exactly as we did in KDE-3.5

In the list of types of resources, there are Akondai related item, just don't 
use those, and kmail will use the file directly.

> I have unmerged nepomuke and all related packages have been remerged
> with -semantic-desktop set in /etc/make.conf:
 
akonadi and nepomuk are not the same thing, not even remotely.

akonadi is a backend store for pim data (mail, addresses, etc). It is 
application agnostic, so in theory at least Thunderbird, kmail and Evolution 
could all use akonadi to get to the same data.

nepomuk and strigi are involved with desktop search and indexing all of your 
data. It is similar in principle to Beagle on Gnome (but with bigger design 
scope). There's no reason Nepomuk can't use the data presented by akonadi for 
it's indexing, but it's not a requirement - it can just as easily index 
conventional maildirs.

You can't avoid having akonadi, nepomuk etc pulled in somehow. Just don't run 
them.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Mick]

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On Monday 26 October 2009 20:26:54 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> > > I forget exactly what I did to achieve this, it was something like
> > > having trouble getting akonadi to work right, so I set all the kdepim
> > > apps to use the resource files directly in the fashion of KDE-3.5
> >
> > Can you please share what you did on your system to make this happen
> > if you can remember?  Over here kde-base/akonadi is dragged in by
> > kde-base/kdepim-meta and I haven't found a way to disable it.  Every
> > time I fire up kmail it starts up and causes delay as it fails to
> > find/start mysqld.
> 
> SystemSettings -> Resources

Thanks for this!

> Create the conventional addressbooks as files in
> ~/.kde4/share/kde4/services/resources - exactly as we did in KDE-3.5

Hmm I didn't have any files in there, there were all under 
~/.kde3.5/share/apps/*

I have set up conventional files or directories for all categories in there 
(kmail, addressbook, notes, calendar) but it still tries to start Akonadi.  
</sigh>

> In the list of types of resources, there are Akondai related item, just
>  don't use those, and kmail will use the file directly.
> 
> > I have unmerged nepomuke and all related packages have been remerged
> > with -semantic-desktop set in /etc/make.conf:
> 
> akonadi and nepomuk are not the same thing, not even remotely.

Thanks I know that.

> You can't avoid having akonadi, nepomuk etc pulled in somehow. Just don't
>  run them.

Nepomuk is not pulled in here.  Akonadi of course is another matter, because 
of the kdepim hardcoded dependency.

Grateful for any more ideas to make that bloody akonadi give up.  :-)
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 27 October 2009 00:26:31 Mick wrote:
> > Create the conventional addressbooks as files in
> > ~/.kde4/share/kde4/services/resources - exactly as we did in KDE-3.5
> 
> Hmm I didn't have any files in there, there were all under 
> ~/.kde3.5/share/apps/*
> 
> I have set up conventional files or directories for all categories in
>  there  (kmail, addressbook, notes, calendar) but it still tries to start
>  Akonadi. </sigh>
> 

When all else fails, I like to use big guns:

grep -r akonadi ~/.kde4/share/config/*

and start trawling through the output


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Mick]

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On Monday 26 October 2009 23:10:01 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 October 2009 00:26:31 Mick wrote:
> > > Create the conventional addressbooks as files in
> > > ~/.kde4/share/kde4/services/resources - exactly as we did in KDE-3.5
> >
> > Hmm I didn't have any files in there, there were all under
> > ~/.kde3.5/share/apps/*
> >
> > I have set up conventional files or directories for all categories in
> >  there  (kmail, addressbook, notes, calendar) but it still tries to start
> >  Akonadi. </sigh>
> 
> When all else fails, I like to use big guns:
> 
> grep -r akonadi ~/.kde4/share/config/*
> 
> and start trawling through the output
 
Thanks Alan, I can't see much to trawl through I'm afraid:

$ grep -ri akonadi ~/.kde4/share/config/*
/home/michael/.kde4/share/config/kres-migratorrc:Recent 
Files[$e]=$HOME/Akonadi_error.txt,$HOME/Akonadi_error.txt
/home/michael/.kde4/share/config/kwriterc:File8[$e]=$HOME/Akonadi_error.txt
/home/michael/.kde4/share/config/kwriterc:Name8[$e]=Akonadi_error.txt

Just the recent akonadi error file that I opened with kwrite.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 20:19:11 +0000, Mick wrote:

> Which I guess proves the point that Dirk is making.  If I were to
> emerge akonadi again, will it pop up everytime I start kmail, knode,
> etc?

So it's needed by KMail, not KDE in general (I don't use KMail).


-- 
Neil Bothwick

There are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary
notation and those who don't.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 25 October 2009 13:35:30 Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
>   
>> Am Sonntag 25 Oktober 2009 14:18:45 schrieb Neil Bothwick:
>>     
>>> On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:30:32 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
>>>       
>>>>> Or turn off desktop searching, as I have on my notebook with a
>>>>> noticeable improvement in responsiveness.
>>>>>           
>>>> How would that affect akonadi?
>>>>         
>>> Because you no longer need it. Set USE="-semantic-desktop" and akonadi
>>> isn't even installed.
>>>       
>> akonadi is an unconditional dep of kdepim. It's about storing PIM data, not
>> desktop searching (strigi/nepomuk).
>>
>> Bye...
>>
>> 	Dirk
>>
>>     
> I set -semantic-desktop in my /etc/make.conf.  I unmerged akonadi.  Then 
> remerged:
>
>  kde-base/kdelibs 
>  kde-base/gwenview 
>  kde-base/kget 
>  kde-base/dolphin 
>  kde-base/kmail 
>  kde-base/kdebase-meta 
>  kde-base/kdeaddons-meta
>
> These were all the packages that contained a semantic-desktop USE flag.  Now I 
> get this:
>
> # emerge -uatDv world
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [nomerge      ] kde-base/kdepim-meta-4.3.1  USE="(-kdeprefix)" 
> [ebuild  N    ]  kde-base/akonadi-4.3.1  USE="(-aqua) -debug (-kdeprefix) -
> semantic-desktop" 0 kB
>
> Which I guess proves the point that Dirk is making.  If I were to emerge 
> akonadi again, will it pop up everytime I start kmail, knode, etc?
>   

Well, I put -semantic-desktop in my USE line and ran emerge -uvDN
world.  It recompiled several things and told me it had some
@preserved-rebuild packages to build.  So, I ran that and got this
little message:

root@smoker / # emerge @preserved-rebuild -a

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies ... done!

emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
">=kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.2:4.3[semantic-desktop,-kdeprefix]".
!!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
- kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.2-r3 (Change USE: +semantic-desktop)
(dependency required by "kde-base/nepomuk-4.3.2" [ebuild])
(dependency required by "@preserved-rebuild" [argument])

root@smoker / #

So I guess we can't really have the USE flag disabled either.  Neato ! 
< sarcasm there >

Now to change my USE line back again and run emerge -uvDN world.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Mike Edenfield]

On 10/25/2009 8:10 PM, Dale wrote:

> Well, I put -semantic-desktop in my USE line and ran emerge -uvDN
> world.  It recompiled several things and told me it had some
> @preserved-rebuild packages to build.  So, I ran that and got this
> little message:
>
> root@smoker / # emerge @preserved-rebuild -a
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies ... done!
>
> emerge: there are no ebuilds built with USE flags to satisfy
> ">=kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.2:4.3[semantic-desktop,-kdeprefix]".
> !!! One of the following packages is required to complete your request:
> - kde-base/kdelibs-4.3.2-r3 (Change USE: +semantic-desktop)
> (dependency required by "kde-base/nepomuk-4.3.2" [ebuild])
> (dependency required by "@preserved-rebuild" [argument])

The semantic desktop is the whole point of nepomuk.  If you 
don't want all the semantic desktop KDE stuff, then you 
don't want nepomuk either.  Try removing it instead of 
rebuilding it.

--Mike

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 25 October 2009 13:08:12 Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 25 October 2009 10:43:41 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:11:28 +0100, Dave Jones wrote:
> 
> Back on topic I hope, it seems to me that KDE4 has made certain choices
>  which detract from the Gentoo way of being able to run lean and mean
>  should you choose to do so.  I am waiting to see if sqlite is going to
>  improve its code to be able to play with akonadi in KDE4.  I guess that
>  until then I will have to put up with the few seconds that akonadi tries
>  to start, searches and then fails to find mysql.

I doubt that will ever happen. Akonadi is designed with multi-user usage in 
mind, sqlite is built with embedded single-user usage in mind. Any attempt to 
use sqlite in Akondai will result in race-condition and blocker issues which 
can only be resolved by running akonadi in some single-user mode, or writing a 
proxy-style front end to sqlite.

Either way it seems like way too much effort for way too little return.

> Not sure if this is a signal of maturity, or if KDE is becoming as bloated
>  as Gnome was considered to be a couple of years ago (for the most
>  belligerent on this list pls don't take this as an opportunity to restart
>  another ancient flamewar, I'm just making a cursory observation).
 
"maturity" and "bloat" are often conflated and confused.

The direction that the KDE-4 devs want to go is a completely integrated 
desktop where everything is aware of everything else, and data is considered 
to be just that - simply data. Every app knows what to do with any data, so 
you loose the distinction between email from kmail and chat history from 
kopete - the DE just "knows" what to do with it and presents it in some sane 
fashion.

Well that's the goal, perhaps not the current reality. Point being, this 
requires huge backing libs and powerful processors. And that is what the 
average user possesses. It isn't bloat - it's what is needed to fulfil the 
stated goal.

This doesn't suit everyone, so accusations of bloat tend to bubble up :-) For 
those people, there are other DEs and WMs that suit their purpose. The *box 
packages for instance - those give you a lean mean desktop with the absolute 
minimum code and nothing more.

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 24 October 2009 23:51:05 Dave Jones wrote:
> > I'm sorry you found my answer less than informative and perhaps even
> > somewhat insulting, obviously I worded it incorrectly. But you see,
> > your "aw gawd, an 'RTFM' answer..." is the identical reaction to my
> > original "aw gawd, a 'do my homework for me' question".
> >
> > Ponder that a little.
> 
> Your RTFM reply arrived 14 minutes after my question. It clearly showed
> that you were aware of the answer to my question. A reference to any of
> the relevant threads would have been very helpful, and would have been
> much appreciated.
> 

Oh please, grow up, get a life and stop sounding like a spoilt brat.

You expect me to find the links after a search and provide them for you. I 
prefer you to have done that for yourself. 

It would not have been hard, the briefest of scan through the last fortnights 
threads would have revealed where to look in the subject.

I consider this subject closed now. You may continue the discussion with 
others if you wish, but it shall be conducted without me.



-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dave Jones]

Alan McKinnon wrote on 25/10/09 01:38:
> Oh please, grow up, get a life and stop sounding like a spoilt brat.

Thank you for this constructive and original comment. Just as useful as
your other postings on this thread.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Stroller]

On 24 Oct 2009, at 22:51, Dave Jones wrote:
> ...
> How presumptuous of you to say so.  Has the gentoo-user group become  
> the
> resource of last-resort?  Has gentoo-user become restricted, to be  
> used
> only when all other avenues of exploration have been exhausted?  If  
> that
> is so, then shame on me, I must have missed that announcement too.


I'm really in two minds about posting this, because the above is so  
aggravating and whiny. Getting on a soap-box and complaining about the  
other list users (i.e. me and us) seems to imply that it's somehow  
everyone else's responsibility to fix your problem for you.

However, I'm wondering if the original suggestion to search the find  
archives might have antagonised you less if it had been phrased  
differently. Mention of "the KDE upgrade before that, and the libxcb  
thing, xorg-1.6, and dbus/hal" only seem to have confused matters;  
"hashed to death" may be an exaggeration, as I can only (immediately)  
find the one thread.

Perhaps if Alan had asked "did you read last week's thread on this  
subject?" you might have gone and found:

    http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/user/199323

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Samstag 24 Oktober 2009 02:02:16 schrieb Dave Jones:
> > Please search the mail archives. Or read your elogs, it's all in there.
> 
> Alan, thank you for your 'RTFM' reply. which is utterly useless either
> to me or any other follower of the gentoo-user mail group.

It's neither useless to you nor to anybody else. The question has been 
answered here several times in the past couple of days and way before that in 
your very own portage news. So pointing you to the list archives or elogs 
gives you evrything you need to solve your problem.

Bye...

	Dirk

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Re: [gentoo-user] Has MySQL become compulsory?

[Justin]

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Dirk Heinrichs wrote:
> Am Samstag 24 Oktober 2009 02:02:16 schrieb Dave Jones:
>>> Please search the mail archives. Or read your elogs, it's all in there.
>> Alan, thank you for your 'RTFM' reply. which is utterly useless either
>> to me or any other follower of the gentoo-user mail group.
> 
> It's neither useless to you nor to anybody else. The question has been 
> answered here several times in the past couple of days and way before that in 
> your very own portage news. So pointing you to the list archives or elogs 
> gives you evrything you need to solve your problem.
> 
> Bye...
> 
> 	Dirk

It is not just a matter of pissing off members on this list by asking
everything again and again. Most of the people don't ask here, but file
directly a bug against the issue. I saw douzens of those the last weeks,
concerning the qt thing, shared-mime-info upgrade etc.
We have a relatively good system to inform user about things going on
and the news items are another big step forward. But if users don't read
and use them they get useless.
So read and think about what portage tells you!!!


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