[gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Hi,

I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
have SATA on this rig.

I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.

Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
> have SATA on this rig.
>
> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>
> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.

You can get a SATA-to-IDE adapter for a few dollars. That should
significantly open up your buying options, since nearly everything is
SATA now.

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>> have SATA on this rig.
>>
>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>
>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.
>>     
>
> You can get a SATA-to-IDE adapter for a few dollars. That should
> significantly open up your buying options, since nearly everything is
> SATA now.
>
>
>   

There's a idea.  Last time I looked they were pretty pricey.  I could
then use the new drive in the new rig I am saving up to build. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[kashani]

Dale wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
> have SATA on this rig.
> 
> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
> 
> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas. 

SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.

kashani

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

kashani wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>> have SATA on this rig.
>>
>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>
>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas. 
>
> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>
> kashani
>
>

Good idea.  Back to newegg. 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

kashani wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>> have SATA on this rig.
>>
>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>
>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas. 
>
> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>
> kashani
>
>

I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003

I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?

Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
it also says SATA II. 

Thanks for the help.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Donnerstag 24 September 2009, Dale wrote:
> kashani wrote:
> > Dale wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
> >> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
> >> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
> >> have SATA on this rig.
> >>
> >> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
> >> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
> >> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.
> >
> > SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
> >
> > kashani
> 
> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
> 
> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
> 
> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
> it also says SATA II.
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 

it is a pci-x card and expensive. Try to get a nice pci or pcie card.

remember: pci-x is NOT pci-express

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Donnerstag 24 September 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>> kashani wrote:
>>     
>>> Dale wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>>>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>>>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>>>> have SATA on this rig.
>>>>
>>>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>>>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>>>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.
>>>>         
>>> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>>>
>>> kashani
>>>       
>> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
>> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
>> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
>>
>> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
>> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
>>
>> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
>> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
>> it also says SATA II.
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>     
>
> it is a pci-x card and expensive. Try to get a nice pci or pcie card.
>
> remember: pci-x is NOT pci-express
>
>
>   

This is a older system.  It has those wide connectors.  It's a Abit nf7
V 2.0 mobo.  No "S" or "M" in the model.  This link has a picture of my
mobo.

http://www.cyfinity.com/tag/watts/

That is not my system, just a pic of the same mobo.  I found it with
google and just picked it at random.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> kashani wrote:
>> Dale wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>>> have SATA on this rig.
>>>
>>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.
>>
>> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>>
>> kashani
>>
>>
>
> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
>
> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
>
> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
> it also says SATA II.

Honestly, for $50 you can probably buy a new motherboard that has SATA
built-in. :)

This one is normal PCI and has 4 ports for $10 less cost, using
SIL3124 chipset which should work fine in Gentoo: N82E16816124028

As far as speed, I think PCI will be the ultimate bottleneck,
especially if you ever attach more than 1 drive. But it should at
least not be slower than your IDE, and access times should be nice and
quick.

For the alternative of cheap SATA-to-IDE adapter I was thinking of
something like this:
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12537

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> kashani wrote:
>>     
>>> Dale wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>>>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>>>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>>>> have SATA on this rig.
>>>>
>>>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>>>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>>>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.
>>>>         
>>> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>>>
>>> kashani
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
>> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
>> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
>>
>> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
>> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
>>
>> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
>> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
>> it also says SATA II.
>>     
>
> Honestly, for $50 you can probably buy a new motherboard that has SATA
> built-in. :)
>
> This one is normal PCI and has 4 ports for $10 less cost, using
> SIL3124 chipset which should work fine in Gentoo: N82E16816124028
>
> As far as speed, I think PCI will be the ultimate bottleneck,
> especially if you ever attach more than 1 drive. But it should at
> least not be slower than your IDE, and access times should be nice and
> quick.
>
> For the alternative of cheap SATA-to-IDE adapter I was thinking of
> something like this:
> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12537
>
>
>   

I looked at the one that is $10.00 cheaper but it only has internal
connectors.  I may have to have a external drive one day soon.  I'm
about full on the 3.5' slots and I hate those little 3.5" to 5 1/4"
adapters.  They always give me grief.

I see what you mean on the little adapter.  Wouldn't be any faster tho
would it?  Wish they had that at newegg too.  I cold order both at the
same time.  o_O  It is CHEAP too. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> kashani wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>>>>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>>>>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>>>>> have SATA on this rig.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>>>>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>>>>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.
>>>>>
>>>> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>>>>
>>>> kashani
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
>>> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
>>> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
>>>
>>> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
>>> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
>>>
>>> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
>>> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
>>> it also says SATA II.
>>>
>>
>> Honestly, for $50 you can probably buy a new motherboard that has SATA
>> built-in. :)
>>
>> This one is normal PCI and has 4 ports for $10 less cost, using
>> SIL3124 chipset which should work fine in Gentoo: N82E16816124028
>>
>> As far as speed, I think PCI will be the ultimate bottleneck,
>> especially if you ever attach more than 1 drive. But it should at
>> least not be slower than your IDE, and access times should be nice and
>> quick.
>>
>> For the alternative of cheap SATA-to-IDE adapter I was thinking of
>> something like this:
>> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12537
>>
>>
>>
>
> I looked at the one that is $10.00 cheaper but it only has internal
> connectors.  I may have to have a external drive one day soon.  I'm
> about full on the 3.5' slots and I hate those little 3.5" to 5 1/4"
> adapters.  They always give me grief.
>
> I see what you mean on the little adapter.  Wouldn't be any faster tho
> would it?  Wish they had that at newegg too.  I cold order both at the
> same time.  o_O  It is CHEAP too.

DealExtreme is in Hong Kong so it usually takes 2 or 3 weeks to get
things from there to here (in USA), but the prices are ridiculously
low and they have just about everything when it comes to small
adapters and USB gizmos.

For external drives it might be easier to use USB (assuming you have
USB 2.0 on that system). It might even be faster than eSata through a
PCI card. I have an external USB hard drive and get consistantly
around 35MiB/sec read and write speed...

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Paul Hartman wrote:
>>     
>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> kashani wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Dale wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>>>>>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>>>>>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>>>>>> have SATA on this rig.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>>>>>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>>>>>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> kashani
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
>>>> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
>>>> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
>>>>
>>>> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
>>>> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
>>>>
>>>> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
>>>> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
>>>> it also says SATA II.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Honestly, for $50 you can probably buy a new motherboard that has SATA
>>> built-in. :)
>>>
>>> This one is normal PCI and has 4 ports for $10 less cost, using
>>> SIL3124 chipset which should work fine in Gentoo: N82E16816124028
>>>
>>> As far as speed, I think PCI will be the ultimate bottleneck,
>>> especially if you ever attach more than 1 drive. But it should at
>>> least not be slower than your IDE, and access times should be nice and
>>> quick.
>>>
>>> For the alternative of cheap SATA-to-IDE adapter I was thinking of
>>> something like this:
>>> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.12537
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I looked at the one that is $10.00 cheaper but it only has internal
>> connectors.  I may have to have a external drive one day soon.  I'm
>> about full on the 3.5' slots and I hate those little 3.5" to 5 1/4"
>> adapters.  They always give me grief.
>>
>> I see what you mean on the little adapter.  Wouldn't be any faster tho
>> would it?  Wish they had that at newegg too.  I cold order both at the
>> same time.  o_O  It is CHEAP too.
>>     
>
> DealExtreme is in Hong Kong so it usually takes 2 or 3 weeks to get
> things from there to here (in USA), but the prices are ridiculously
> low and they have just about everything when it comes to small
> adapters and USB gizmos.
>
> For external drives it might be easier to use USB (assuming you have
> USB 2.0 on that system). It might even be faster than eSata through a
> PCI card. I have an external USB hard drive and get consistantly
> around 35MiB/sec read and write speed...
>
>
>   

USB.  There is another idea.  Ooops, out of USB plugs too.  Crap, I
can't put in a drive without buying something to plug it into.  LOL  I
do have USB 2.0 on here.  I have to have 2.0 for the printer but my
camera has to have 1.0.  Weird I know.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[kashani]

Dale wrote:
> USB.  There is another idea.  Ooops, out of USB plugs too.  Crap, I
> can't put in a drive without buying something to plug it into.  LOL  I
> do have USB 2.0 on here.  I have to have 2.0 for the printer but my
> camera has to have 1.0.  Weird I know.

Perhaps it's new or at least newer computer time?

kashani

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

kashani wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> USB.  There is another idea.  Ooops, out of USB plugs too.  Crap, I
>> can't put in a drive without buying something to plug it into.  LOL  I
>> do have USB 2.0 on here.  I have to have 2.0 for the printer but my
>> camera has to have 1.0.  Weird I know.
>
> Perhaps it's new or at least newer computer time?
>
> kashani
>
>
>

It's in the planning stages now.  AMD 4 core CPU with hopefully a HUGE
hard drive.  I'm working on it but I have to save up some cash first.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[walt]

On 09/24/2009 12:29 PM, Dale wrote:

> USB.  There is another idea.  Ooops, out of USB plugs too.  Crap, I
> can't put in a drive without buying something to plug it into.  LOL  I
> do have USB 2.0 on here.  I have to have 2.0 for the printer but my
> camera has to have 1.0.  Weird I know.

There are so many interesting posts in this thread I don't know which
one to reply to :o)  Just FYI, USB 3 has just been ratified, so we can
expect ultra-fast USB-3 drives in the (near?) future, which should be as
fast or faster than SATA-II.

The point I really want to make is regarding your question about which
disk drive to buy.  I have drives from three different manufacturers at
the moment, and they are all superb and incredibly cheap -- but that low
cost comes at a price (does that make any sense?).

I've had to return two drives in the last three years or so because of
catastrophic failure while still under warranty (amazing!).  In both
cases the replacement drives have been absolutely perfect for years now.

In other words, disk manufacturers have apparently decided to abandon
strict quality control in favor of low price, and seem happy to replace
failed drives as a substitute for quality control.  It must be a profitable
strategy because they all seem to be doing it.  But be prepared for drive
failures from *every* manufacturer -- and then buy whatever is on sale for
the lowest price.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

walt wrote:
> On 09/24/2009 12:29 PM, Dale wrote:
>
>> USB.  There is another idea.  Ooops, out of USB plugs too.  Crap, I
>> can't put in a drive without buying something to plug it into.  LOL  I
>> do have USB 2.0 on here.  I have to have 2.0 for the printer but my
>> camera has to have 1.0.  Weird I know.
>
> There are so many interesting posts in this thread I don't know which
> one to reply to :o)  Just FYI, USB 3 has just been ratified, so we can
> expect ultra-fast USB-3 drives in the (near?) future, which should be as
> fast or faster than SATA-II.
>
> The point I really want to make is regarding your question about which
> disk drive to buy.  I have drives from three different manufacturers at
> the moment, and they are all superb and incredibly cheap -- but that low
> cost comes at a price (does that make any sense?).
>
> I've had to return two drives in the last three years or so because of
> catastrophic failure while still under warranty (amazing!).  In both
> cases the replacement drives have been absolutely perfect for years now.
>
> In other words, disk manufacturers have apparently decided to abandon
> strict quality control in favor of low price, and seem happy to replace
> failed drives as a substitute for quality control.  It must be a
> profitable
> strategy because they all seem to be doing it.  But be prepared for drive
> failures from *every* manufacturer -- and then buy whatever is on sale
> for
> the lowest price.
>
>
>

One thing I have noticed about hard drives in my experience.  When you
plug that puppy in and power it up, let it run for a good long while. 
Overnight is good, a few days is even better, a week or more is even
better still from the mechanical point of view.  I remember this from
when I rebuilt my Moms old motor in her car years ago.  It said in the
book and from several mechanics, once you crank it, run it for at least
30 minutes and at different rpms.  The longer the better.  It should get
to its normal temperature before even thinking about cutting it off.  Do
NOT cut the engine off unless it is really serious.  The first few
minutes that a motor runs is crucial.  If you start it and just run it a
couple minutes, it won't ever be the same.  I was also told that driving
it is really good.

I also remember this from way back when I was working on puters.  I got
a new job when winder 3.1 came out.  Anyway.  If a electronic device can
survive the first couple to six months of usage, they usually last a
while from the electronic point of view.  That is short of spilling your
beer in it or it getting hit by lightening or something like that.  I
have two 80Gb drives right now.  One is a Maxtor and the other is a
Western Digital.  I bet there is a few people on this list that hate
each one because they had one that failed.  I haven't had any trouble
with mine at all.  They all fail eventually tho.  I just hope one of
mine fails when there is nothing important on it is all.  ;-) 

Still comparing all the options.  I got to start looking for a good SATA
drive now.  Just when I had a decent IDE drive all picked out too.  LOL

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> walt wrote:
>> On 09/24/2009 12:29 PM, Dale wrote:
>>
>>> USB.  There is another idea.  Ooops, out of USB plugs too.  Crap, I
>>> can't put in a drive without buying something to plug it into.  LOL  I
>>> do have USB 2.0 on here.  I have to have 2.0 for the printer but my
>>> camera has to have 1.0.  Weird I know.
>>
>> There are so many interesting posts in this thread I don't know which
>> one to reply to :o)  Just FYI, USB 3 has just been ratified, so we can
>> expect ultra-fast USB-3 drives in the (near?) future, which should be as
>> fast or faster than SATA-II.
>>
>> The point I really want to make is regarding your question about which
>> disk drive to buy.  I have drives from three different manufacturers at
>> the moment, and they are all superb and incredibly cheap -- but that low
>> cost comes at a price (does that make any sense?).
>>
>> I've had to return two drives in the last three years or so because of
>> catastrophic failure while still under warranty (amazing!).  In both
>> cases the replacement drives have been absolutely perfect for years now.
>>
>> In other words, disk manufacturers have apparently decided to abandon
>> strict quality control in favor of low price, and seem happy to replace
>> failed drives as a substitute for quality control.  It must be a
>> profitable
>> strategy because they all seem to be doing it.  But be prepared for drive
>> failures from *every* manufacturer -- and then buy whatever is on sale
>> for
>> the lowest price.
>>
>>
>>
>
> One thing I have noticed about hard drives in my experience.  When you
> plug that puppy in and power it up, let it run for a good long while.
> Overnight is good, a few days is even better, a week or more is even
> better still from the mechanical point of view.  I remember this from
> when I rebuilt my Moms old motor in her car years ago.  It said in the
> book and from several mechanics, once you crank it, run it for at least
> 30 minutes and at different rpms.  The longer the better.  It should get
> to its normal temperature before even thinking about cutting it off.  Do
> NOT cut the engine off unless it is really serious.  The first few
> minutes that a motor runs is crucial.  If you start it and just run it a
> couple minutes, it won't ever be the same.  I was also told that driving
> it is really good.
>
> I also remember this from way back when I was working on puters.  I got
> a new job when winder 3.1 came out.  Anyway.  If a electronic device can
> survive the first couple to six months of usage, they usually last a
> while from the electronic point of view.  That is short of spilling your
> beer in it or it getting hit by lightening or something like that.  I
> have two 80Gb drives right now.  One is a Maxtor and the other is a
> Western Digital.  I bet there is a few people on this list that hate
> each one because they had one that failed.  I haven't had any trouble
> with mine at all.  They all fail eventually tho.  I just hope one of
> mine fails when there is nothing important on it is all.  ;-)
>
> Still comparing all the options.  I got to start looking for a good SATA
> drive now.  Just when I had a decent IDE drive all picked out too.  LOL

When you look at hard drive reviews, they tend to be either 5 stars
("Perfect! Never a problem after 10 years!") or 0 stars ("Horrible,
died after 2 minutes! I got 2 more and they did the same thing!" etc).
I don't think there are a lot of ways for a hard drive to go bad
without it being catastrophic. Maybe bad sectors... but I consider
that catastrophic because they always seem to spread like cancer. If
there is one bad sector on a drive, I simply can't trust it.

That being said, I've had lots of hard drives from many brands and the
best combinations of price/speed/reliability I've had is Samsung. I'm
using 6 of them right now and after 2+ years of 24/7 usage none has
died yet.  I'm sure someone here will have a horror story about a
Samsung drive to add to this thread. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>>
>> One thing I have noticed about hard drives in my experience.  When you
>> plug that puppy in and power it up, let it run for a good long while.
>> Overnight is good, a few days is even better, a week or more is even
>> better still from the mechanical point of view.  I remember this from
>> when I rebuilt my Moms old motor in her car years ago.  It said in the
>> book and from several mechanics, once you crank it, run it for at least
>> 30 minutes and at different rpms.  The longer the better.  It should get
>> to its normal temperature before even thinking about cutting it off.  Do
>> NOT cut the engine off unless it is really serious.  The first few
>> minutes that a motor runs is crucial.  If you start it and just run it a
>> couple minutes, it won't ever be the same.  I was also told that driving
>> it is really good.
>>
>> I also remember this from way back when I was working on puters.  I got
>> a new job when winder 3.1 came out.  Anyway.  If a electronic device can
>> survive the first couple to six months of usage, they usually last a
>> while from the electronic point of view.  That is short of spilling your
>> beer in it or it getting hit by lightening or something like that.  I
>> have two 80Gb drives right now.  One is a Maxtor and the other is a
>> Western Digital.  I bet there is a few people on this list that hate
>> each one because they had one that failed.  I haven't had any trouble
>> with mine at all.  They all fail eventually tho.  I just hope one of
>> mine fails when there is nothing important on it is all.  ;-)
>>
>> Still comparing all the options.  I got to start looking for a good SATA
>> drive now.  Just when I had a decent IDE drive all picked out too.  LOL
>>     
>
> When you look at hard drive reviews, they tend to be either 5 stars
> ("Perfect! Never a problem after 10 years!") or 0 stars ("Horrible,
> died after 2 minutes! I got 2 more and they did the same thing!" etc).
> I don't think there are a lot of ways for a hard drive to go bad
> without it being catastrophic. Maybe bad sectors... but I consider
> that catastrophic because they always seem to spread like cancer. If
> there is one bad sector on a drive, I simply can't trust it.
>
> That being said, I've had lots of hard drives from many brands and the
> best combinations of price/speed/reliability I've had is Samsung. I'm
> using 6 of them right now and after 2+ years of 24/7 usage none has
> died yet.  I'm sure someone here will have a horror story about a
> Samsung drive to add to this thread. :)
>
>
>   

I saw where the drive hours was displayed a long time ago.  I thought it
was hdparm that displayed that but I can't find it in the man page and
-I doesn't seem to show that.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to
get how many hours a drive has been running?  I know I saw this before
but no clue where it was.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 25 September 2009, Dale wrote:
> Paul Hartman wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:59 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> One thing I have noticed about hard drives in my experience.  When you
> >> plug that puppy in and power it up, let it run for a good long while.
> >> Overnight is good, a few days is even better, a week or more is even
> >> better still from the mechanical point of view.  I remember this from
> >> when I rebuilt my Moms old motor in her car years ago.  It said in the
> >> book and from several mechanics, once you crank it, run it for at least
> >> 30 minutes and at different rpms.  The longer the better.  It should get
> >> to its normal temperature before even thinking about cutting it off.  Do
> >> NOT cut the engine off unless it is really serious.  The first few
> >> minutes that a motor runs is crucial.  If you start it and just run it a
> >> couple minutes, it won't ever be the same.  I was also told that driving
> >> it is really good.
> >>
> >> I also remember this from way back when I was working on puters.  I got
> >> a new job when winder 3.1 came out.  Anyway.  If a electronic device can
> >> survive the first couple to six months of usage, they usually last a
> >> while from the electronic point of view.  That is short of spilling your
> >> beer in it or it getting hit by lightening or something like that.  I
> >> have two 80Gb drives right now.  One is a Maxtor and the other is a
> >> Western Digital.  I bet there is a few people on this list that hate
> >> each one because they had one that failed.  I haven't had any trouble
> >> with mine at all.  They all fail eventually tho.  I just hope one of
> >> mine fails when there is nothing important on it is all.  ;-)
> >>
> >> Still comparing all the options.  I got to start looking for a good SATA
> >> drive now.  Just when I had a decent IDE drive all picked out too.  LOL
> >
> > When you look at hard drive reviews, they tend to be either 5 stars
> > ("Perfect! Never a problem after 10 years!") or 0 stars ("Horrible,
> > died after 2 minutes! I got 2 more and they did the same thing!" etc).
> > I don't think there are a lot of ways for a hard drive to go bad
> > without it being catastrophic. Maybe bad sectors... but I consider
> > that catastrophic because they always seem to spread like cancer. If
> > there is one bad sector on a drive, I simply can't trust it.
> >
> > That being said, I've had lots of hard drives from many brands and the
> > best combinations of price/speed/reliability I've had is Samsung. I'm
> > using 6 of them right now and after 2+ years of 24/7 usage none has
> > died yet.  I'm sure someone here will have a horror story about a
> > Samsung drive to add to this thread. :)
> 
> I saw where the drive hours was displayed a long time ago.  I thought it
> was hdparm that displayed that but I can't find it in the man page and
> -I doesn't seem to show that.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to
> get how many hours a drive has been running?  I know I saw this before
> but no clue where it was.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
> 

smartctl -a

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Freitag 25 September 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>>
>> I saw where the drive hours was displayed a long time ago.  I thought it
>> was hdparm that displayed that but I can't find it in the man page and
>> -I doesn't seem to show that.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to
>> get how many hours a drive has been running?  I know I saw this before
>> but no clue where it was.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>
>>     
>
> smartctl -a
>
>
>   

That's the one.  This look right?

root@smoker / # smartctl -a /dev/hda | grep Minutes
  9 Power_On_Minutes        0x0032   136   136   000    Old_age  
Always       -       297h+43m
root@smoker / #

root@smoker / # smartctl -a /dev/hdb | grep Hours
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   040   040   000    Old_age  
Always       -       44353
root@smoker / #

I know that first drive is older than that.  I'm not sure about the
other one either.  That's a lot of hours.

Dale

:-)   :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 25 September 2009, Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Freitag 25 September 2009, Dale wrote:
> >> I saw where the drive hours was displayed a long time ago.  I thought it
> >> was hdparm that displayed that but I can't find it in the man page and
> >> -I doesn't seem to show that.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to
> >> get how many hours a drive has been running?  I know I saw this before
> >> but no clue where it was.
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-)
> >
> > smartctl -a
> 
> That's the one.  This look right?
> 
> root@smoker / # smartctl -a /dev/hda | grep Minutes
>   9 Power_On_Minutes        0x0032   136   136   000    Old_age
> Always       -       297h+43m
> root@smoker / #
> 
> root@smoker / # smartctl -a /dev/hdb | grep Hours
>   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   040   040   000    Old_age
> Always       -       44353
> root@smoker / #
> 
> I know that first drive is older than that.  I'm not sure about the
> other one either.  That's a lot of hours.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)   :-)
> 

well, that is one problem of smart - the vendors can put some pretty silly 
stuff in the fields - and the tools have to figure it out. hda looks ok, hdb 
looks like silly vendor ;)

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Freitag 25 September 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>     
>>> On Freitag 25 September 2009, Dale wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I saw where the drive hours was displayed a long time ago.  I thought it
>>>> was hdparm that displayed that but I can't find it in the man page and
>>>> -I doesn't seem to show that.  Can someone tell me if there is a way to
>>>> get how many hours a drive has been running?  I know I saw this before
>>>> but no clue where it was.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> :-)  :-)
>>>>         
>>> smartctl -a
>>>       
>> That's the one.  This look right?
>>
>> root@smoker / # smartctl -a /dev/hda | grep Minutes
>>   9 Power_On_Minutes        0x0032   136   136   000    Old_age
>> Always       -       297h+43m
>> root@smoker / #
>>
>> root@smoker / # smartctl -a /dev/hdb | grep Hours
>>   9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   040   040   000    Old_age
>> Always       -       44353
>> root@smoker / #
>>
>> I know that first drive is older than that.  I'm not sure about the
>> other one either.  That's a lot of hours.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)   :-)
>>
>>     
>
> well, that is one problem of smart - the vendors can put some pretty silly 
> stuff in the fields - and the tools have to figure it out. hda looks ok, hdb 
> looks like silly vendor ;)
>
>
>   

Actually, the drives are about 5 years old and this box runs about
24/7.  The second one is pretty close to right according to the math. 
That is about 5 years or so.  I think the first one lost count, several
times I might add.  That's only about 12 days. 

Dang, that second drive is giving me my money's worth.  Shhh !  Don't
tell the drive.  It may blow smoke any minute.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[kashani]

Dale wrote:
> I also remember this from way back when I was working on puters.  I got
> a new job when winder 3.1 came out.  Anyway.  If a electronic device can
> survive the first couple to six months of usage, they usually last a
> while from the electronic point of view.  That is short of spilling your

	Yep, it's been studied and even has a a fun name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve

kashani

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

kashani wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> I also remember this from way back when I was working on puters.  I got
>> a new job when winder 3.1 came out.  Anyway.  If a electronic device can
>> survive the first couple to six months of usage, they usually last a
>> while from the electronic point of view.  That is short of spilling your
>
>     Yep, it's been studied and even has a a fun name.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve
>
> kashani
>
>

That would be it.  You think about this tho.  A hard drive has two
things going against it.  Electronic failure or mechanical failure. 
Mechanical usually happen with age, USUALLY.  Electronics mostly fail at
the beginning of life, USUALLY.  There are exceptions to all this of
course.  So if one doesn't get it at the beginning, the other gets it in
the end.  :/

Weird huh?  Can't win either way.  Maybe we need a 60 day burn in period
before being sold.  That should help a little at least.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Neil Bothwick]

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> Weird huh?  Can't win either way.  Maybe we need a 60 day burn in period
> before being sold.  That should help a little at least.

It's cheaper to let the customer do that and cover it under warranty.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:26:12 -0500, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Weird huh?  Can't win either way.  Maybe we need a 60 day burn in period
>> before being sold.  That should help a little at least.
>>     
>
> It's cheaper to let the customer do that and cover it under warranty.
>
>
>   

Yea, can you imagine what a drive would cost if they tested them like
that?  I bet it would double the price.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Keith Dart]

=== On Thu, 09/24, walt wrote: ===
> In other words, disk manufacturers have apparently decided to abandon
> strict quality control in favor of low price, and seem happy to
> replace failed drives as a substitute for quality control.  It must
> be a profitable strategy because they all seem to be doing it.  
===

Yes, it's kind of sad. But I guess it makes some sense due the pace of
innovation they become obsolete before they usually break.

For example, I have some IBM Deskstar disks that are really high
quality. They have been running non-stop for 10 years now! It's really
amazing. However, they are "only" 9 GB disks that won't even hold a
full bells-and-wistles Gentoo installation. 


-- Keith Dart

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<keith@dartworks.biz>
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[kashani]

Dale wrote:
> kashani wrote:
>> Dale wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>>> have SATA on this rig.
>>>
>>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas. 
>> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>>
>> kashani
>>
> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
> 
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
> 
> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
> 
> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
> it also says SATA II. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESATA
	esata is different sort of connection, but a number of new external 
drives are starting to support it.

This looks to be your best choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815102102&cm_re=pci_sata_II-_-15-102-102-_-Product

I assume that any motherboard that does not support SATA also does not 
support PCI-E or PCI-X, but you should make sure that you have a free 
slot and verify that slot type before buying something.

kashani

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

kashani wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> kashani wrote:
>>> Dale wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been
>>>> trying to
>>>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>>>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I
>>>> don't
>>>> have SATA on this rig.
>>>>
>>>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they
>>>> are a
>>>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>>>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas. 
>>> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>>>
>>> kashani
>>>
>> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
>> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
>> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
>>
>> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
>> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
>>
>> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
>> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
>> it also says SATA II. 
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESATA
>     esata is different sort of connection, but a number of new
> external drives are starting to support it.
>
> This looks to be your best choice.
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815102102&cm_re=pci_sata_II-_-15-102-102-_-Product
>
>
> I assume that any motherboard that does not support SATA also does not
> support PCI-E or PCI-X, but you should make sure that you have a free
> slot and verify that slot type before buying something.
>
> kashani
>
>

OK.  Lets see if my muddy water has cleared up any.  I can use the same
drives on either a "SATA" or a "eSATA" its just that the cable is
different?  The "eSATA" cable is shielded where the internal one is
not.  No difference in speed or anything, just the cable?  Correct? 
That's how I read the link. 

Your link to newegg is a good one.  It only has two ports which may work
if I don't have to buy any more drives before my new build.  It is
cheaper too.  Jeez, they fill up fast on DSL.  LOL

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> kashani wrote:
>> Dale wrote:
>>> kashani wrote:
>>>> Dale wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been
>>>>> trying to
>>>>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>>>>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> have SATA on this rig.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they
>>>>> are a
>>>>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>>>>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas.
>>>> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>>>>
>>>> kashani
>>>>
>>> I been looking at these cards on newegg.  I haven't had a SATA drive
>>> before and confess I don't know a lot about them.  They are faster and
>>> have little bitty cables.  I'm looking at this one:
>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003
>>>
>>> I notice that it has two internal and two external connectors.  Can I
>>> assume that the "eSATA" means external or is that something else?
>>>
>>> Also while I have the link and you are most likely looking at it, is
>>> this a good fast card?  It appears to be a pretty recent revision since
>>> it also says SATA II.
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESATA
>>     esata is different sort of connection, but a number of new
>> external drives are starting to support it.
>>
>> This looks to be your best choice.
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815102102&cm_re=pci_sata_II-_-15-102-102-_-Product
>>
>>
>> I assume that any motherboard that does not support SATA also does not
>> support PCI-E or PCI-X, but you should make sure that you have a free
>> slot and verify that slot type before buying something.
>>
>> kashani
>>
>>
>
> OK.  Lets see if my muddy water has cleared up any.  I can use the same
> drives on either a "SATA" or a "eSATA" its just that the cable is
> different?  The "eSATA" cable is shielded where the internal one is
> not.  No difference in speed or anything, just the cable?  Correct?
> That's how I read the link.
>
> Your link to newegg is a good one.  It only has two ports which may work
> if I don't have to buy any more drives before my new build.  It is
> cheaper too.  Jeez, they fill up fast on DSL.  LOL

I think eSATA and SATA physically have different connectors, but they
are the technically same (you can buy simple adapters...).

Also, another "Gotcha" to watch out for is that sometimes motherboard
or controller cards with both internal SATA and external eSATA ports
don't support using both types at the same time. My last two
motherboard were this way. 4 internal SATA and 2 eSATA but only 4
devices in total can be used at any time. Caveat emptor. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[James Ausmus]

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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Paul Hartman <
paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com <paul.hartman%2Bgentoo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I think eSATA and SATA physically have different connectors, but they
> are the technically same (you can buy simple adapters...).
>


I'm don't think that the connectors are different enough to care about - I
had (in a previous life/system) a PCI SATA interface card that had both
internal SATA and an eSATA connector, and when I ran out of regular internal
SATA connectors, I just used a regular SATA cable, plugged into the eSATA
port, then ran the cable back in through an empty expansion slot in the
case, and hooked it up to a regular internal SATA driver - worked like a
champ... ;)

-James

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[gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Grant Edwards]

On 2009-09-24, James Ausmus <james.ausmus@gmail.com> wrote:
> paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com <paul.hartman%2Bgentoo@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think eSATA and SATA physically have different connectors,
>> but they are the technically same (you can buy simple
>> adapters...).

They're compatible but not technically the same.  The
electrical specs for eSATA are stricter and provide more margin
for noise and signal loss.  I once used an internal-to-external
adapter to connect an external drive to a normal motherboard
SATA port.  It worked most of the time, but there were
occasional problems.  [For all I know the same problems might
have occurred if the drive was internal.]

> I'm don't think that the connectors are different enough to
> care about - I had (in a previous life/system) a PCI SATA
> interface card that had both internal SATA and an eSATA
> connector, and when I ran out of regular internal SATA
> connectors, I just used a regular SATA cable, plugged into the
> eSATA port, then ran the cable back in through an empty
> expansion slot in the case, and hooked it up to a regular
> internal SATA driver - worked like a champ... ;)

The two connector types are supposed to be physically
incompatible, but we'll take your word for it that you can make
them mate.

-- 
Grant Edwards                   grante             Yow! Will the third world
                                  at               war keep "Bosom Buddies"
                               visi.com            off the air?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[James Ausmus]

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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Grant Edwards <grant.b.edwards@gmail.com>wrote:

> On 2009-09-24, James Ausmus <james.ausmus@gmail.com> wrote:

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> > I'm don't think that the connectors are different enough to
> > care about - I had (in a previous life/system) a PCI SATA
> > interface card that had both internal SATA and an eSATA
> > connector, and when I ran out of regular internal SATA
> > connectors, I just used a regular SATA cable, plugged into the
> > eSATA port, then ran the cable back in through an empty
> > expansion slot in the case, and hooked it up to a regular
> > internal SATA driver - worked like a champ... ;)
>
> The two connector types are supposed to be physically
> incompatible, but we'll take your word for it that you can make
> them mate.
>

It may very well be that the cheap adapter card I bought decided that having
a SATA port on the outside made it an eSATA port, as I didn't run into any
difficulty in plugging in the regular SATA cable. ;)

-James

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

kashani wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>> have SATA on this rig.
>>
>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>
>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas. 
>
> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>
> kashani
>
>

OK.  I'm looking at these two SATA cards.  I'm not sure which one yet. 
One has the external connector too.  Sort of like that idea. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815102102

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124003

For the hard drive, I'm liking this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

I figure that will last me a little while.  I found me a site to
download the Law & Order and NCIS shows now.  Oh boy !!!!

Anyone see anything wrong with that combination? 

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Good fast IDE hard drive but cheap and BIG.

[Dale]

kashani wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently got DSL and youtube is growing on me.  LOL  I been trying to
>> find a really good hard drive that is around 400 to 500Gb and pretty
>> fast.  It has to be a IDE drive, you know, the big wide cables.  I don't
>> have SATA on this rig.
>>
>> I have a Maxtor that I like and is pretty fast but it appears they are a
>> little hard to find nowadays.  In matter of importance:  size, price,
>> speed.  Newegg is great but will consider others as well.
>>
>> Thanks for any pointers.  Open to ideas. 
>
> SATA PCI card should be < $20. I'd then go with a SATA II drive.
>
> kashani
>
>

I thought I would post what I ended up getting.  This actually works
pretty well. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815102102

The drive formats out to about 732Gb with resierfs.  This is the speed
result from hdparm:

root@smoker / # hdparm -Tt /dev/sda

/dev/sda:
 Timing cached reads:   860 MB in  2.00 seconds = 429.42 MB/sec
 Timing buffered disk reads:  246 MB in  3.02 seconds =  81.55 MB/sec
root@smoker / #

That is with KDE running.  It is a little faster in console with no GUI
running but its not a lot.  It is a good bit faster than my IDE drives
tho.  Almost double the speed. 

The reason I picked a somewhat slower card is because someone said PCI
would be the bottleneck so I saw no need for a really fast and expensive
card.  I did get a fast drive since when I build my new rig I can swap
it over to it.  Oh, the new rig will be a while yet.  I ran up on a
really nice TV and I spent what I had saved on that.  My old TV was
about 20 years old.  I now have a LG 32" LCD TV that is 1080p and a
DirecTv HD box to go with it.  I really like watching the history
channel when they show the Egyptian tombs and stuff.  It's like being
there in person almost.

Anyway, that is the update.  Thanks much for guiding me through the
selection process.

Dale

:-)  :-)