[gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Massimiliano Ziccardi]

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Hi all!!

I tried today :

emerge --update --deep world

but I get the following error:

[blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)

I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?

Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall kdebase!!!!
:-) )

Thank you,
Massimiliano

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[AllenJB]

Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> Hi all!!
> 
> I tried today :
> 
> emerge --update --deep world
> 
> but I get the following error:
> 
> [blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
> 
> I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?
> 
> Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall kdebase!!!!
> :-) )
> 
> Thank you,
> Massimiliano
> 
The monolithic packages are obsolete - please switch to split packages:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/kde/kde-split-ebuilds.xml

AllenJB

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Dienstag 30 Juni 2009, Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> Hi all!!
>
> I tried today :
>
> emerge --update --deep world
>
> but I get the following error:
>
> [blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
>
> I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?
>
> Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall kdebase!!!!
>
> :-) )
>
> Thank you,
> Massimiliano

yes, it is related to the fact that monolithic ebuilds are phased out. Search 
the archive, you will find a lot about it. Also looking into the kde guide on 
gentoo.org might help you.

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 30 June 2009 14:40:20 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> Hi all!!
>
> I tried today :
>
> emerge --update --deep world
>
> but I get the following error:
>
> [blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
>
> I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?
>
> Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall kdebase!!!!
>
> :-) )

You cannot install kdelibs and kdebase simultaneously. One is a monolithic 
package, the other is a split ebuilf. There is an article on the doc site 
about this, search for "KDE split ebuild guide".

And you MUST uninstall kdebase to use kde-3.5.10. Monolithic ebuilds are not 
supported for 3.5.10. Or you could stick with 3.5.9 and mask 3.5.10

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Alex Schuster]

Massimiliano Ziccardi writes:

> emerge --update --deep world
>
> but I get the following error:
>
> [blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
> kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
>
> I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?
>
> Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall
> kdebase!!!!

Maybe this large thread gives some insights.
http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org/msg11168.html

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Massimiliano Ziccardi]

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I'm installing the split ebuild ( Very long operation..  x-/ ).

Wouldn't be better to mask the kdebase monolithic ebuild, so that
unexperienced gentoo
linux users as I am would not spend useless hours installing it?

Thanks again for your prompt help,
Massimiliano

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org> wrote:

> Massimiliano Ziccardi writes:
>
> > emerge --update --deep world
> >
> > but I get the following error:
> >
> > [blocks B     ] kde-base/kdebase ("kde-base/kdebase" is blocking
> > kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.10-r6)
> >
> > I'm not very expert about emerge, have you any idea about this error?
> >
> > Can I solve it in some way? (Please, don't ask me to uninstall
> > kdebase!!!!
>
> Maybe this large thread gives some insights.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org/msg11168.html
>
>        Wonko
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 30 June 2009 17:41:35 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> I'm installing the split ebuild ( Very long operation..  x-/ ).
>
> Wouldn't be better to mask the kdebase monolithic ebuild, so that
> unexperienced gentoo
> linux users as I am would not spend useless hours installing it?

No. That's a bad idea. Stable users have been using monolithic ebuilds for 
ages. You can't just take that away from them.

It's far preferable to let people like yourself suffer the consequences of not 
reading documentation - split ebuilds have been available and documented since 
at around 2006 IIRC


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Massimiliano Ziccardi]

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>It's far preferable to let people like yourself suffer the consequences of
not
>reading documentation

Touched :-)

However, I read the documentation.
It's just that this is my first gentoo installation: I didn't get I had to
uninstall the older version of the software to upgrade to the new one.

Especially when it says 'We still provide monolithic ebuilds for 3.5 (up
till 3.5.9) and they are ***cleanly interoperable*** with the split ones.'

However, I think now I understand how it works a little bit more (but not
too much ;-) ).

One more thing: couldn't those 'stable users' read the documentation too,
and unmask the obsolete package (if they were masked)?

Massimiliano

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Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 30 June 2009 23:17:02 Massimiliano Ziccardi wrote:
> >It's far preferable to let people like yourself suffer the consequences of
>
> not
>
> >reading documentation
>
> Touched :-)
>
> However, I read the documentation.
> It's just that this is my first gentoo installation: I didn't get I had to
> uninstall the older version of the software to upgrade to the new one.

You get to learn those tricks as you go along. Normally, one just upgrades and 
portage takes care of the "install old one, install new one" step. But KDE 
split and monolithic ebuilds covering the same KDE package are different in 
this regard - they are incompatible and cannot co-exist on the same machine.

> Especially when it says 'We still provide monolithic ebuilds for 3.5 (up
> till 3.5.9) and they are ***cleanly interoperable*** with the split ones.'

That's a strange statement for the document to make. Split and monolithic can 
interoperate as long as you keep them cleanly separated. Take an example - 
kdepim and kdegames. Both have full monolithic and split ebuilds. You might 
decide you do indeed want all of kdepim [1] but not all the games. So you 
could emerge kdepim and selectively pick the few split-ebuild games you do 
want.

What you can't do is also try to emerge kmail - that clashes with the kmail 
that kdepim wants to put there.

[1] Here you would actually use kdepim-meta in the real world (it pulls in all 
the kdepim split ebuilds), but this is a demonstration, not a list of accurate 
install instructions.

>
> However, I think now I understand how it works a little bit more (but not
> too much ;-) ).
>
> One more thing: couldn't those 'stable users' read the documentation too,
> and unmask the obsolete package (if they were masked)?

Think about this. You are asking users who have been doing something one way 
for years, to all of a sudden have their packages masked, their systems 
broken, expect them to go and find documentation (the location of which is not 
easy to provide at that time), unmask stuff and continue.

Why? And for what benefit?

The way it is done is the best possible way for all the users. Existing users 
continue as they did, new users get to make a choice first (which is something 
they have to do anyway).

>
> Massimiliano

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with emerge --update

[Massimiliano Ziccardi]

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Thank you Alan.

Just as an information, if it happens to something else:

I've installed successfully the split ebuilds.

However, after the upgrade, I had to disable UXA: with UXA Xorg didn't even
start (it crashes).

However (as glxgears says), FPS jumped from 500 to 1300...

Thank you all,
Massimiliano

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