From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MFpgC-0002F8-MC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:23:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9053BE07A7; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com (mail-ew0-f224.google.com [209.85.219.224]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2190DE07A7 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:23:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so443059ewy.34 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:23:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type; bh=pHqlWos9lNW3Ju40+Fr6nj73M6cy6X9x5ggsJf7WueU=; b=UGNEPH10fz3qDX7JFGj8sahf822VoBtaSBXi2ZG5AfyC/a4fRRfM7RbzaFxJjnOz0h P7fUF3ScRMobgtTJ9kE1IKDZqftXYsGTBYgYk8sF9i6YB1gCmxQk9zJQJX/g0OdHUpMg d4BCxB93tryuekop7Q6TZ3rFOvHdGTVrVS4aQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type; b=xCmFyF3QIwG3g7rZIlHp4h2LusajT/VWu0DK0BhYbUBLRHrnrztu7NGFNernvfFsCh VLzUPC2TcGW7bYwRYHmD/zY/hbcEh0bewBYNNwR5WniEosTMPu0sRRWcZjLKRZ7uwxT4 lqiN3IGO3dl/vr1ryKfMo7YM3vzEG8QcPo6JA= Received: by 10.210.118.13 with SMTP id q13mr3272960ebc.7.1244985802476; Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.40? (78-105-132-248.zone3.bethere.co.uk [78.105.132.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm113260eyd.47.2009.06.14.06.23.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A34FA08.2080100@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:24:24 +0100 From: AG User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Basic queries regarding installation from an outsider looking in References: <4A34D8DA.5010902@gmail.com> <200906141355.43171.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200906141355.43171.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080900030500000909040401" X-Archives-Salt: 27319ce1-3fee-40eb-8e02-4ce70e541a84 X-Archives-Hash: e8d2809eb82aa0ce5e924ec9fb4c557f This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080900030500000909040401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Sunday 14 June 2009 13:02:50 AG wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Thanks for the responses to my earlier query regarding co-location of >> Debian and Gentoo on the same HDD. >> >> I still have a few questions regarding an installation before I take the >> plunge: >> >> (1) Looking through the background docs, it occurs to me that if I >> wanted to install Gentoo on my system, I would need access to a second >> machine that is running all of the on-line docs that guide one through >> the installation process. Is this correct? If not, how does one refer >> to the (seemingly quite comprehensive) guidelines whilst in the middle >> of an installation? >> > > With links or link2 or lynx - it's on the stage 3. > > Get network up and running, view docs in text mode > > It looks like an installation in a chroot space on my current machine will be the way I'll go on this one. If I can find the parts, I might even go so far as patching together an older box and dedicating it to the great take-on Gentoo project! In which case, this would be an interesting route to pursue. But, for now, I'm likely to go the chroot way. >> (2) When Gentoo installs its libraries, does this duplicate the >> libraries already on my machine? For instance - if I have OOo and KDE >> and Xfce4 loaded as part of my Debian Squeeze system, will Gentoo also >> install its own version of OOo, KDE and Xfce4 alongside the Deb files? >> I was thinking that this would have a number of implications in terms of >> space and (potentially) in how the drive is partitioned for the Gentoo >> installation ... unless I'm missing the point? >> > > Yes. You have two complete operating systems, and they share very little, if > anything. Don't try and be tempted to share binaries - that way does madness > lie. > > Thanks for the heads' up! I'm beginning to get a clearer picture of how this would actually work now. >> (3) What differences would I likely experience between running my >> Debian installation and the Gentoo installation? >> > > That's not a question that anyone except you can answer - it's like asking me > what different experience will you have between your ex-wife and current > girlfriend. I have no idea, nor any way to find out. > > Interesting analogy, but your point is taken. It was a bit of an unfair question really. > They will be different, that much is true. Gentoo will work the way you set it > up, I can't even warn you about sudo instead of su a la Ubuntu as Gentoo let's > you do it either way. If you use Gnome, you will get Gnome's default theme (a > blue one?) instead of say Ubuntu's Human theme. Changing that is a simple > emerge and a few mouse clicks. > I don't know *buntu. I'm on Squeeze (testing) and am having a good time with it. After Slackware's rock-climbing experience of system maintenance, I feel quite spoilt having a tool like apt at my fingertips. Debian does have some interesting policy implementations with renaming Firefox, etc., but these are minor and aside from my inclination to call apps by their given name there is no inconvenience. > What you will do is spend an insane amount of time trying to figure out what a > certain USE flag actually does an if you want it. Debian doesn't give you that > choice. > > Is this an example of that infinite adaptability of Gentoo as a metadistro? Thanks. --------------080900030500000909040401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan McKinnon wrote: 
On Sunday 14 June 2009 13:02:50 AG wrote:
  
Hi all

Thanks for the responses to my earlier query regarding co-location of
Debian and Gentoo on the same HDD.

I still have a few questions regarding an installation before I take the
plunge:

(1)  Looking through the background docs, it occurs to me that if I
wanted to install Gentoo on my system, I would need access to a second
machine that is running all of the on-line docs that guide one through
the installation process.  Is this correct?  If not, how does one refer
to the (seemingly quite comprehensive) guidelines whilst in the middle
of an installation?
    

With links or link2 or lynx - it's on the stage 3.

Get network up and running, view docs in text mode
It looks like an installation in a chroot space on my current machine will be the way I'll go on this one.  If I can find the parts, I might even go so far as patching together an older box and dedicating it to the great take-on Gentoo project!  In which case, this would be an interesting route to pursue. But, for now, I'm likely to go the chroot way.

  

    
(2)  When Gentoo installs its libraries, does this duplicate the
libraries already on my machine?  For instance - if I have OOo and KDE
and Xfce4 loaded as part of my Debian Squeeze system, will Gentoo also
install its own version of OOo, KDE and Xfce4 alongside the Deb files?
I was thinking that this would have a number of implications in terms of
space and (potentially) in how the drive is partitioned for the Gentoo
installation ... unless I'm missing the point?
    

  

  

Yes. You have two complete operating systems, and they share very little, if 
anything. Don't try and be tempted to share binaries - that way does madness 
lie.

  



Thanks for the heads' up!  I'm beginning to get a clearer picture of
how this would actually work now.  





  

  

    
(3)  What differences would I likely experience between running my
Debian installation and the Gentoo installation?
    

  

  

That's not a question that anyone except you can answer - it's like asking me 
what different experience will you have between your ex-wife and current 
girlfriend. I have no idea, nor any way to find out.

  



Interesting analogy, but your point is taken.  It was a bit of an
unfair question really.  



  
They will be different, that much is true. Gentoo will work the way you set it 
up, I can't even warn you about sudo instead of su a la Ubuntu as Gentoo let's 
you do it either way. If you use Gnome, you will get Gnome's default theme (a 
blue one?) instead of say Ubuntu's Human theme. Changing that is a simple 
emerge and a few mouse clicks.
  



I don't know *buntu.  I'm on Squeeze (testing) and am having a good
time with it.  After Slackware's rock-climbing experience of system
maintenance, I feel quite spoilt having a tool like apt at my
fingertips.  Debian does have some interesting policy implementations
with renaming Firefox, etc., but these are minor and aside from my
inclination to call apps by their given name there is no
inconvenience.  



  
What you will do is spend an insane amount of time trying to figure out what a 
certain USE flag actually does an if you want it. Debian doesn't give you that 
choice.

  



Is this an example of that infinite adaptability of Gentoo as a
metadistro?



Thanks.






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