From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M697g-00067S-MR for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:07:44 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4704BE020E; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:07:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from swip.net (mailfe07.tele2.it [212.247.154.205]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE9F0E020E for ; Mon, 18 May 2009 20:07:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Df-CyhU-2qcA:10 a=ndLHH9FKWgMA:10 a=44BDUlaFJiQkRjciIe5NBw==:17 a=0neRdqfwDcI9ypQgmTIA:9 a=IGpC8gHYQRQMDhM9dZkA:7 a=QubRxBJQ2hgtlHfZLMgN82Wn7iAA:4 Received: from [131.111.115.220] (account cxu-7bj-8gb@tele2.it [131.111.115.220] verified) by mailfe07.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.13) with ESMTPA id 1241535645 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 18 May 2009 22:07:41 +0200 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=mailfe07.swip.net; client-ip=131.111.115.220; envelope-from=brullonulla@gmail.com Message-ID: <4A11C1B3.6080005@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 21:14:43 +0100 From: bn User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.21 (X11/20090429) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] upgrading from kernel 2.6.24-rc6 to latest kernel References: <4A09312E.9010007@gmail.com> <4A10314D.8000406@gmail.com> <20090517161814.GB4724@ca.inter.net> <20090517183249.7db361f5@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> <20090518112900.GB4740@ca.inter.net> <20090518125748.224c7d1f@zaphod.digimed.co.uk> <20090518140651.GD4740@ca.inter.net> <4A11881F.7010404@gmail.com> <20090518162838.GE4740@ca.inter.net> <4A11900E.7040800@gmail.com> <20090518181250.GF4740@ca.inter.net> In-Reply-To: <20090518181250.GF4740@ca.inter.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: df9aebff-6393-4f88-9d25-5d700d899977 X-Archives-Hash: 945e6af1d0b883b305cf2a9569ebf00c Philip Webb ha scritto: > 090518 bn wrote: >> Philip Webb ha scritto: >>> With binary distros, you are stuck with whatever their makers give you. >> whatever distro you're using, Linux is Linux. You're not locked out. >> If my xorg.conf doesn't work (it happened with Ubuntu), >> I can edit it on Ubuntu just like on Gentoo. >> I can compile source packages on Ubuntu too, if needed. > > But don't you immediately run into all the settings & assumptions > which the creators of that release of that distro have made for you ? Yes. Which usually are sensible, and when they're not, I can usually modify them. Don't you immediately run into all the default settings and assumptions that the creators of each $PACKAGE do even here? Or do you write all your KDE configuration files by hand before running it the first time? > Can you have multiple versions of a library (as via Gentoo's slots) ? This, I don't know and it's an interesting thing. *Some* package is available in more versions on binary distros, but I dunno how they manage that. > You're also stuck with their kernel: > how many users of Mandriva compile their own kernels ? > how safe is it to use your own kernel with the rest of the distro ? True. Having a slimmer kernel is nice; however compiling your own kernel is not always failsafe even for fairly knowledgeable users (that's why I started the thread). > You also have to accept their version of big items like KDE : > if you use Slackware, you've got to use KDE 4 , like it or not (me: not); > with Gentoo, you can go on using KDE 3 & its pieces much longer. Yes, but for example I would like to try KDE4 --> requires ~x86 --> mixing x86 and ~x86 for such big stuff is bad. Gentoo x86 is way behind binary distros' stable packages, and that's another pain. > If you use Ubuntu, you've got to accept their eccentric & questionable > attitude to passwords, esp that they don't have a separate root password. > I find that a piece of cheap popularisation contrary to UNIX principles. I found it very useful and it makes much sense in my opinion -so much that I would like to know how to fully "ubuntize" my Gentoo in this single respect. I don't maybe like it's pulled down the throat of users, but if they had the option to choose between both with,say,one installation option click, it would be perfect. > So if you use Mandriva or Slackware -- good binary distros both -- , > you accept what's been cooked for you & are one of the crowd of diners. > If you use Gentoo, you enjoy your own home cooking. Even if I'm Italian, I'm maybe not such a good cook :) The problem is another. I loved Gentoo when I was an undergraduate or graduate student and I had my own desktop at home to tinker with, separate from my workstation in the office. Now I am working abroad and I cannot have root access on my workstation. So the workstation is almost worthless, apart from specialized needs that require me to work on it. If I want to be productive, I need to use my own laptop. And I simply cannot afford this laptop to go awry. That's why I am so shy in updating xorg and the kernel now. I will do it, but I want to be quadruple-sure of everything I can. And that's why I am beginning to think Ubuntu fast-food could be better than my own cuisine.... m.