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From: Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1?
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:47:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49bf44f10907300647g1493cb10yf818a8e79a307c9c@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200907301501.27721.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>

>> OK, that's right.  How can I find out if 4GB RAM (the current amount)
>> is enough?  From what I understand of how Linux handles memory, it
>> will fill it up as quickly as possible, and then free it as necessary.
>>  This makes it difficult to determine how much RAM is necessary from
>> watching top.
>
> top lies. This has been discussed here many times. All your memory tools
> essentially tell you how much memory an app is able to see into, and most of
> that memory is shared with other stuff (like libs).
>
> You can't tell how much memory an app is using in any meaningful way, you are
> not supposed to even look at it as it changes millions of times a second. What
> you are supposed to do is select an allocation algorithm that works well for
> you in practice and let the kernel do the heavy lifting.
>
> Yes, the kernel does grab as much memory as it can for buffers and cache, then
> release it on demands. All modern operating systems have done this for many
> years - Linux just doesn't try and hide that fact from you :-)
>
>> I read on this list that the kernel needs *some* swap, even just a
>> tiny amount, to function properly.  Is that true?  If so, do you think
>> it would be OK to put this tiny amount of swap on a cheap SSD?
>
> Not true. I have machines with zero swap and they work just fine. I am utterly
> unconcerned with out of memory conditions as whether you have swap or not,
> when virtual memory runs out, either way you have a horrible cockup that is
> hard to fix. Then there's the oom-killer that comes along, stomps all over
> everything and just makes it worse.

Sounds good.  Will commenting the swap line out of /etc/fstab and
rebooting disable swap?  In order to resize the root partition to
include the swap paritition, I'll have to boot to LiveCD right?

- Grant



  reply	other threads:[~2009-07-30 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-07-26 10:46 [gentoo-user] {OT} SSD instead of RAID1? Grant
2009-07-26 16:04 ` Stroller
2009-07-27 12:44   ` Grant
2009-07-27 17:43     ` Florian Philipp
2009-07-27 18:33       ` Florian Philipp
2009-07-27 18:42       ` James Ausmus
2009-07-28 17:52       ` Grant
2009-07-28 19:01         ` Stroller
2009-07-29 15:20           ` Grant
2009-07-29 17:25             ` Florian Philipp
2009-07-30 12:17               ` Grant
2009-07-30 12:33                 ` Neil Bothwick
2009-07-30 13:00                   ` Grant
2009-07-30 13:01                 ` Alan McKinnon
2009-07-30 13:47                   ` Grant [this message]
2009-07-30 14:05                     ` Alex Schuster
2009-07-30 15:45                       ` Grant
2009-07-30 15:57                         ` Alan McKinnon
2009-07-30 14:57                     ` Alan McKinnon
2009-07-30 15:57                       ` Neil Bothwick
2009-07-30 15:20                     ` Peter Humphrey
2009-07-30 13:10                 ` Alex Schuster
2009-07-30 14:18                 ` Paul Hartman
2009-07-30 16:03                   ` Grant
2009-07-30 16:07                     ` Paul Hartman
2009-07-30 16:12                       ` Grant
2009-07-31 16:07                       ` Grant
2009-07-29 18:15             ` Neil Bothwick
2009-07-30 11:41               ` Stroller
2009-07-31 17:31                 ` Grant
2009-08-03 16:00                   ` Grant
2009-07-30 12:53               ` Grant
2009-07-30 11:46             ` Stroller
2009-07-29  8:12       ` Nevynxxx

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