From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LU1oO-0002mL-Ro for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:38:17 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B7688E0487; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f20.google.com (mail-fx0-f20.google.com [209.85.220.20]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B1FE0487 for ; Mon, 2 Feb 2009 16:38:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13so1713018fxm.10 for ; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:38:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=g1lCQtLMt4YdAY8mUHKUA2zwPApZiQlQVD15/sgmlow=; b=bIXQVCSREZsbwkkKCz2SYlylmsBuk5grT/NMXP2JsO3qw5rvACQSyAFilwlbZkZ77j VLosnLZ+gWXMIOLHR+wKSwtAgXkGv7b4EQOXO1r/BVx0YYrS7EklP5wcPw3wn6DenYnf UNl8rMGIOVyxzLARPhGBrjkZHV1NSgvEemIG4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KCsBLGRIbTrBlbaVaMZuUbFipo9565YbVv/OU27SrCvD/43lNMrtUwmVVftGuoPsH7 GV7LCSF+HHefksWtRpRYGFtjrQYteP6tbuweHP0zCksnTZgrqdto0qd6w80ADF7DoQO4 2q2rBgOXsBGhCFnBZCV1g9KLFT4ynqGNA6tds= Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.181.215.9 with SMTP id s9mr1183564bkq.212.1233592693485; Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:38:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4986EF72.2090003@gmail.com> References: <49bf44f10901211907w66dafcbdm3160956369793dca@mail.gmail.com> <84F97654-4B0E-49D2-A451-5411EBEC9C18@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <49bf44f10901220824q144370aao97cbd7af85b6cb04@mail.gmail.com> <20090130140154.GA444@nibiru.local> <49bf44f10901311454n169d968ep8e03ce5e159ec17@mail.gmail.com> <09B21436-8426-4B9A-9B6F-A3AB6A171964@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <20090202103635.GA11963@marvin.heimnetz.local> <4986EF72.2090003@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 08:38:13 -0800 Message-ID: <49bf44f10902020838l1e7e8102p672c400ffa573ef9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox From: Grant To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d6d1a4f3-4eab-4f42-b3fe-11e6239b6de5 X-Archives-Hash: e8632de0fc9b76d3c4a67a096c4543e9 >>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video. Yes >>>>>> that's funny. >>>>>> >>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p >>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ? >>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get >>>>> China into war against Russia) ? >>>>> >>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long >>>> election campaign? >>>> >>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!! >>> >>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!! >>> >>> >>> >> >> Just a honest question from Germany: >> >> Which ones are the liberal medias overseas? >> >> Since from here I wouldn't call anything I know liberal, let alone >> anything progressive... >> >> Sebastian >> >> > > If you mean liberal in the USA, NBC being the most, then CNN, CBS and > ABC. CNN and CBS are about the same and ABC is somewhat better. > According to some media research folks, BBC is left leaning as well. I > have watched it a few times and saw no reason to disagree. > > The hard part is finding a source for the facts so a person can make > their own decisions. For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had > then along came Fox. The old media seemed to think the people are all > stupid and needed someone to make decisions for them instead of > realizing that most Americans are smart enough to do their own > thinking. Of course, that is also why Fox has more viewers than CNN, > MSNBC and the rest combined. > > Hope that answered your question. I don't think we should pretend that our own views don't scew our perception of not only what is true, but also what is fair and balanced. I'm a liberal fellow and although NBC and CNN do seem liberal to me, I still perceive them to be a good source of news facts. ABC seems only very slightly to the left, and Fox seems so far to the right it's ridiculous. These aren't evaluations of truthiness, but of fairness. Dale obviously disagrees. The point is that no one is actually a good judge of truth *or* fairness. As for why Fox has "more" (let's say the same number of) viewers as the rest of the networks, I think you stated the reason exactly: "For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had then along came Fox." Conservative folks don't have any other choice, and the US seems to be pretty split in half as far as Democrats/Republicans if elections results are any indication. - Grant