[gentoo-user] Hardened & skype & gcc-4*

[gentoo-user] Hardened & skype & gcc-4*

[Grant]

According to this:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182554

skype is p.masked on hardened profiles waiting for gcc-4*.  I really
need skype working and I wonder if I should unmask gcc-4*, emerge it,
and try to emerge skype.  Would I need to follow the Gentoo GCC
Upgrade guide to do this if I only want skype compiled with gcc-4*?
Would I just be creating a mess doing this?

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardened & skype & gcc-4*

[Michal 'vorner' Vaner]

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Hello

On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 01:01:07PM -0800, Grant wrote:
> According to this:
> 
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182554
> 
> skype is p.masked on hardened profiles waiting for gcc-4*.  I really
> need skype working and I wonder if I should unmask gcc-4*, emerge it,
> and try to emerge skype.  Would I need to follow the Gentoo GCC
> Upgrade guide to do this if I only want skype compiled with gcc-4*?
> Would I just be creating a mess doing this?

I guess it makes no sense for skype to need the GCC, since you do not
(can not) compile skype, it is close-sourced. You could download skype
from the pages and just unpack it and hope it will work.

BTW: IMO skype should not be allowed near a computer that needs to be
"hardened" -- personally, I do not trust it a bit (and I know a little
about the quality how it is written, and it talks by network).

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Michal 'vorner' Vaner

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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardened & skype & gcc-4*

[Grant]

> > According to this:
> >
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182554
> >
> > skype is p.masked on hardened profiles waiting for gcc-4*.  I really
> > need skype working and I wonder if I should unmask gcc-4*, emerge it,
> > and try to emerge skype.  Would I need to follow the Gentoo GCC
> > Upgrade guide to do this if I only want skype compiled with gcc-4*?
> > Would I just be creating a mess doing this?
>
> I guess it makes no sense for skype to need the GCC, since you do not
> (can not) compile skype, it is close-sourced. You could download skype
> from the pages and just unpack it and hope it will work.

I'm actually able to emerge it, but it won't start with:

$ skype
/usr/bin/skype: line 10: /opt/skype/skype: No such file or directory
/usr/bin/skype: line 10: /opt/skype/skype: Success

even though /usr/bin/skype and /opt/skype/skype clearly exist.  What
you're saying makes sense about gcc-4* not being necessary, but then
why the above-referenced bug?

> BTW: IMO skype should not be allowed near a computer that needs to be
> "hardened" -- personally, I do not trust it a bit (and I know a little
> about the quality how it is written, and it talks by network).

What would you recommend as an alternative?  From what I understand, I
could sign up with a voip service and install a client.  Would you
recommend any in particular, both service and client?

- Grant
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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardened & skype & gcc-4*

[Michal 'vorner' Vaner]

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Hello

On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 01:19:29PM -0800, Grant wrote:
> > I guess it makes no sense for skype to need the GCC, since you do not
> > (can not) compile skype, it is close-sourced. You could download skype
> > from the pages and just unpack it and hope it will work.
> 
> I'm actually able to emerge it, but it won't start with:
> 
> $ skype
> /usr/bin/skype: line 10: /opt/skype/skype: No such file or directory
> /usr/bin/skype: line 10: /opt/skype/skype: Success
> 
> even though /usr/bin/skype and /opt/skype/skype clearly exist.  What
> you're saying makes sense about gcc-4* not being necessary, but then
> why the above-referenced bug?

Take the statically linked version? And, no, I do not know about that
bug, I'm lucky enough not to have Skype installed any more.

> > BTW: IMO skype should not be allowed near a computer that needs to be
> > "hardened" -- personally, I do not trust it a bit (and I know a little
> > about the quality how it is written, and it talks by network).
> 
> What would you recommend as an alternative?  From what I understand, I
> could sign up with a voip service and install a client.  Would you
> recommend any in particular, both service and client?

If you need it user-friendly, then maybe wengo, or ekiga. AFAIK both
work over the SIP protocol, so you can replace the client with whatever
else comes to your path and speaks it.

And you may set up your own server too, if it comes to it. (Sorry, I
have not much experience with it, I just had something to do with skype
and was able to crash every version in multiple different ways, so I
just do not recommend it at all).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardened & skype & gcc-4*

[Grant]

> > I'm actually able to emerge it, but it won't start with:
> >
> > $ skype
> > /usr/bin/skype: line 10: /opt/skype/skype: No such file or directory
> > /usr/bin/skype: line 10: /opt/skype/skype: Success
> >
> > even though /usr/bin/skype and /opt/skype/skype clearly exist.  What
> > you're saying makes sense about gcc-4* not being necessary, but then
> > why the above-referenced bug?
>
> Take the statically linked version? And, no, I do not know about that
> bug, I'm lucky enough not to have Skype installed any more.
>
> > > BTW: IMO skype should not be allowed near a computer that needs to be
> > > "hardened" -- personally, I do not trust it a bit (and I know a little
> > > about the quality how it is written, and it talks by network).
> >
> > What would you recommend as an alternative?  From what I understand, I
> > could sign up with a voip service and install a client.  Would you
> > recommend any in particular, both service and client?
>
> If you need it user-friendly, then maybe wengo, or ekiga. AFAIK both
> work over the SIP protocol, so you can replace the client with whatever
> else comes to your path and speaks it.

I can't believe it but I get the same error with wengo:

$ wengophone
/opt/bin/wengophone: line 10: /opt/wengophone/qtwengophone: No such
file or directory
/opt/bin/wengophone: line 10: /opt/wengophone/qtwengophone: Success

Maybe a hardened profile on a laptop is more trouble than it's worth.
skype, wengo, firefox-bin all won't work with this same type of error.
 vmware won't work either and I bet it's the same problem.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardened & skype & gcc-4*

[Michal 'vorner' Vaner]

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Hello
,
On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 02:58:04PM -0800, Grant wrote:
> I can't believe it but I get the same error with wengo:
> 
> $ wengophone
> /opt/bin/wengophone: line 10: /opt/wengophone/qtwengophone: No such
> file or directory
> /opt/bin/wengophone: line 10: /opt/wengophone/qtwengophone: Success
> 
> Maybe a hardened profile on a laptop is more trouble than it's worth.
> skype, wengo, firefox-bin all won't work with this same type of error.
>  vmware won't work either and I bet it's the same problem.

Just a wild guess -- you do not have /opt on other partition with noexec
flag?

BTW, I thought wengo was OSS and you could compile it, so it should rest
somewhere else (firefox can be compiled for sure, so if you just take
the time to do it, it could run).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Hardened & skype & gcc-4*

[Grant]

> > I can't believe it but I get the same error with wengo:
> >
> > $ wengophone
> > /opt/bin/wengophone: line 10: /opt/wengophone/qtwengophone: No such
> > file or directory
> > /opt/bin/wengophone: line 10: /opt/wengophone/qtwengophone: Success
> >
> > Maybe a hardened profile on a laptop is more trouble than it's worth.
> > skype, wengo, firefox-bin all won't work with this same type of error.
> >  vmware won't work either and I bet it's the same problem.
>
> Just a wild guess -- you do not have /opt on other partition with noexec
> flag?

No, just sda1, sda2, and sda3.

> BTW, I thought wengo was OSS and you could compile it, so it should rest
> somewhere else (firefox can be compiled for sure, so if you just take
> the time to do it, it could run).

I can compile and run firefox just fine but then I can't use flash.

This whole problem is apparently because I didn't select a multilib
profile.  That's what I'm being told anyway.

- Grant
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