From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I7Ztl-0004UQ-K6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:46:14 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l68GiqW1010017; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:44:52 GMT Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.179]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l68GeXQs005395 for ; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:40:34 GMT Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k34so1000185wah for ; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Oy/IEMFVmCE89r4FBzwbRAQRPbPRNjlHqn45qFKbp2Up7aeNjkh+ozzNDEiQZDpF3zTOOxT09o90PuUwd9gUWQWSNdXnMIe+xCRXxAA/AFzNsIFbr1GXv65TQR595xMWkzMmE7gfZRu+GMDJBPgBdm3eSxV3YP5Z7saC3t534ZY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lrLnmht85AbkWrRdg5F2GR1m8jSeu86GEwPHPjuQjk/tMDItev0hpNFICgUkVv+AwM608x02efPtU38B481at3NCTuvZ3tdqpXc4Ow6Xg8jKd0wYK/9+nsHIhIOUKiv9b8oS9f4FV3mvX5EowrL4BI3Zw7w7mm6Zmiua04xcFxI= Received: by 10.114.127.1 with SMTP id z1mr2378220wac.1183912833449; Sun, 08 Jul 2007 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.110.15 with HTTP; Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:40:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49bf44f10707080940of0abe5by45e73832ab41b44c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 09:40:33 -0700 From: Grant To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo Healthy? (The Return) In-Reply-To: <468E802C.1030203@badapple.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49bf44f10707030907jaa9f524maef27beb2a7c9df@mail.gmail.com> <468B8C8D.9040808@gmail.com> <20070705001359.GB4927@sympatico.ca> <200707042047.07423.mcbrides9@comcast.net> <468E802C.1030203@badapple.net> X-Archives-Salt: 2f706414-12f8-47d5-8e4f-7def6a85bff1 X-Archives-Hash: 553571bd3501a8a40fb22d840f51c650 > >>>> If gentoo became an *easy* distro like sickbayon or ubuntu.. I would > >>>> stop using it. Seriously.. user friendly distros is not what I am > >>>> looking for.. I am looking for a distro to have one fun and learn. > >>> I second this sentiment. Since starting to use Gentoo in 2004, all > >>> other distros pale in comparison. Yes, there have been a couple of > >>> hurdles, but it was all learning. I view these, not as annoyances, but > >>> challenges. I love what I have learned about my system with Gentoo and > >>> there is *no* other distro that has a package management system that is > >>> better than portage, IMHO. So, thanks from me to all the devs! :-) > >> Thirded (smile). > >> > > > > Fourth one here... > > > > Gentoo has been one of the most rewarding linux experiences that I've had in > > years. The only thing that even comes close is LFS... but then upgrading it > > is a nightmare. > > > > I'd like to tell the previous four people to move on to meaningful > challenges like reverse proxying HTTP to split media and application > serving or db replication or ldap backended mail systems or hell > anything other than installing a base system. :-) Come on, installing an > OS shouldn't be complicated in this century. > > Given a choice I prefer my tools extremely powerful AND easy, but I'm a > professional sys admin with a large pragmatic streak and a low tolerance > for technology that makes me jump through hoops. This is coincidentally > why Mysql continues to be used in a hundred time more places than > Postgres. I find Gentoo to be both easy and powerful most of the time so > I have few complaints. However his idea that installing an OS has to be > some sort of trial by fire to prove your worth is wacky. > > I say bring on the easiness. Make a big fat button after the liveCD > loads that says "Just install it for me in a nice default kinda way so I > can start playing with this whole USE flag thing I've heard so much > about" and be done with it. Yes, yes you can still choose to set things > up yourself and frankly I still find command line fdisk to be much > simpler to use than any other tool. After that we can start working on a > big fat button that says "I handle all the USE flag stuff rather than > having to figure out if equery, ufed, emerge, eix, qpkg, and whatnot > tells you what you want to know". Wouldn't that be nice? > > Gentoo got lucky (or maybe I did) when it was the only distro I could > get to install on a office server some idiot has spec'ed with a bleeding > edge gaming motherboard that refused to boot any other Linux distro. I > ran through the lengthy install because I was out of options and then > found I liked the system. I like to think I've been an asset over the > years for Gentoo (1500 helpful posts on the forum and counting), but how > many busy professionals have taken a look at the install and decided > "fsck that, I've got ninety other things I could be doing" and walked away?" Great post, I couldn't agree more. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list