From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Gx2Bv-00084g-Ix for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:13:08 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id kBKE9wlF015958; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:09:58 GMT Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.230]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBKE7o6J005353 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 14:07:51 GMT Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i12so908635wra for ; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:07:50 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JETEkvl1fG2SZ9ezjV8lY7zZxU/5zjb6/K94vePbs+eZU2XB5sjRPiEEXYvpO0x9QEuWiURRDTeBqAfRflM87Kdj1lVQ7KcTupYa9MWC7yyORqaCPXCgQYEuTddrgHckE6ayyVsjmCL4Lwor/fnXUQqx+rN+1CcdVMsVSBP+3RQ= Received: by 10.90.88.13 with SMTP id l13mr7170413agb.1166623670245; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.56.10 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:07:50 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <49bf44f10612200607h7c020738u95708dab5cabc770@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 06:07:50 -0800 From: Grant To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy? In-Reply-To: <20061220095010.3814e408@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49bf44f10612180647g6ac243ebm9cfa8b79a5aeb3b5@mail.gmail.com> <200612182155.11490.mrugeshkarnik@gmail.com> <49bf44f10612191758q758d484fh4f783b651e809b06@mail.gmail.com> <20061220095010.3814e408@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> X-Archives-Salt: f8af457b-aefa-469e-aab2-27494e56a0c7 X-Archives-Hash: 3280c791225e63bd37ccff2280e84d46 > > Can we agree that active developers are good for Gentoo, > > Yes > > > and the more the better? > > If they are co-operating or working on separate projects, not if they are > competing and flaming. > > > I think other posters to this thread may be trying to compile a > > similar set of statistics, but I'll just come out and say it. Can we > > compare historical data on the number of Gentoo users and the rate of > > Gentoo maintenance and growth? > > Number of users is largely irrelevant, it's not as if Gentoo needs a > number of "customers" to survive, it is a non-profit organisation > producing free products. That's exactly the argument here, and the point of creating the 3-way comparison I suggested. I'm trying to determine if Gentoo does "need a number of customers to survive", to thrive, or not at all. If you are all correct, an increased user base would not benefit Gentoo, but there is a possibility that it would and has. That's what I'm trying to determine. > The latter number is more interesting, and > should be available from places like Gentoo's CVS repositories and the > site Bo mentioned earlier in this thread. > > For a rough idea of the rate of development, look at the portage snapshots > on the install CDs over the years and count the packages. Of course, mere > number cannot quantify things like the improvements in the quality of the > software. It's clear that no one source of data will serve to represent any of the three desired plot-lines: users, rate of maintenance, and rate of growth. In that case, some type of composite score for each is in order. Can anyone suggest sources of data for each composite score? In addition to or in lieu of the composite scores, the individual data points could be compared to each other for a more fine-grained set of statistics. Users - bouncer.gentoo.org activity - mailing list activity - forum activity - general website activity - Gentoo Store data Rate of Maintenance - ratio of opened bugs to closed bugs - other bugs.gentoo.org info Rate of Growth - CVS repository data - info from http://cia.navi.cx/ - number of packages in old portage snapshots Please post additions or modifications to the above list, especially pertaining to the rate of growth. A real developer should be able to better determine the specific data to use in that estimation. - Grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list