From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-49002-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1GFN18-00007a-AG for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:33:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k7M3UblX007962; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:30:37 GMT Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k7M3SHPD005081 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:28:17 GMT Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id m19so2430112nfc for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:28:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=gbAjpi15VIUHeZmqxckE+jhvICy/hASxshLgHbgbynbpRk5BTAdMMA5jLPnb4d7221nhviwsxnj6YldIzdMx0DpRHluyzFesfwbxMYyreekPLSyHAIi3NSxIRjnBwxcqX/EY+cLJ+VYPffBO0j/fgXZdB+GFoTxRdlNi9RHiHLs= Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr429209nfl; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:28:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.1 with HTTP; Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49bf44f10608212028x751e304erddda1e8647d81d56@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2006 20:28:16 -0700 From: Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Greylisting vs. reject_rbl_client In-Reply-To: <44EA5282.9080906@badapple.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49bf44f10608211655o50036eaak582cc61f177f8578@mail.gmail.com> <44EA5282.9080906@badapple.net> X-Archives-Salt: c430ee75-4309-4b89-ad3c-9d0869b7bac8 X-Archives-Hash: b88899e8a3b146544225e714e8dd2aad > > Do you think the reject_rbl_client stuff is safer than greylisting? > > > > - Grant > > 1. Blacklists have the HIGHEST false positive rate of any anti-spam > technique other than sending all mail to /dev/null. 34% > http://www.paulgraham.com/falsepositives.html > > 2. Blacklists block the least amount of spam. 24% > So it's wrong more often than right. > > 3. All Blacklists are run by jackasses. Yes, even the ones you like. > http://www.internetnews.com/xSP/article.php/8_1143551 > http://www.peacefire.org/anti-spam/group-statement.5-17-2001.html > http://www.networkworld.com/research/2001/0910feat.html > > and far too much personal experience* > > In my experience over the past two to three years greylisting and > simple header checks have blocked 99% of spam before it gets to the > queue and generated less admin overhead with false positives and other > nonsense. I'd call its accuracy a solid 99.9% since I've only had to > whitelist three sets of servers over the years, YMMV. It might not be > 99.9 for everyone, but it will be far better than blacklisting. There > are some quirks with greylisting, but overall it's been very effective > without much downside. > > I can't say enough bad things about blacklisting. > > kashani > > * The first ISP I worked for actually hosted public.com which has > probably been the most hijacked domain ever. It's a fun Monday morning > when some moron decided to block your entire ISP without actually > looking at the headers. It gets slightly less fun the fifth and sixth > time it happens. Homicide is considered when they assume they are > automatically right, are as rude as possible to you, and then stall for > a day before they grudgingly remove you. Do you think this postfix anti-spam configuration is OK: smtpd_delay_reject = yes smtpd_helo_required = yes smtpd_helo_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_hostname, reject_invalid_hostname, permit smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, permit smtpd_recipient_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, reject_non_fqdn_recipient, reject_unknown_recipient_domain, reject_unauth_destination, permit Would it be OK to remove the following aliases since I never use them: # Well-known aliases -- these should be filled in! root: grant operator: grant # Standard RFC2142 aliases abuse: grant ftp: grant hostmaster: grant news: grant noc: grant security: grant usenet: grant uucp: grant webmaster: grant www: grant -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list