[gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Mark Knecht]

Hi,
   This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.

   I've also tried upgrading xorg-x11 to version 7.4. No changes.

mark@dragonfly ~/Desktop $ xine
This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.5.
(c) 2000-2007 The xine Team.
X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
 Major opcode of failed request:  140 (XVideo)
 Minor opcode of failed request:  19 ()
 Serial number of failed request:  1814
 Current serial number in output stream:  1815
mark@dragonfly ~/Desktop $

  Note that this isn't even trying to play the file, it's just trying
to start the user interface.

  I see segfault and error/warning messages in dmesg:

mtrr: no MTRR for f0000000,8000000 found
[drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
[drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
X[22596]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000 sp bf91df1c error 4 in Xorg[8048000+179000]
[drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
[drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
X[22764]: segfault at 20000d8 ip b7f266c4 sp bfd56a80 error 4 in
libdrm_intel.so.1.0.0[b7f25000+7000]
[drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
[drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5

   The MTRR warnings have been around forever on this machine. I think
the drm:i915 warning is benign in that it's supposedly saying the
kernel doesn't have gem support, but I could be very wrong about that.

   The kernel is recent but not the most up to date.

   Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)

   I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.

   Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 17 April 2009, Mark Knecht wrote:
> Hi,
>    This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.
>
>    I've also tried upgrading xorg-x11 to version 7.4. No changes.
>
> mark@dragonfly ~/Desktop $ xine
> This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.5.
> (c) 2000-2007 The xine Team.
> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
>  Major opcode of failed request:  140 (XVideo)
>  Minor opcode of failed request:  19 ()
>  Serial number of failed request:  1814
>  Current serial number in output stream:  1815
> mark@dragonfly ~/Desktop $
>
>   Note that this isn't even trying to play the file, it's just trying
> to start the user interface.
>
>   I see segfault and error/warning messages in dmesg:
>
> mtrr: no MTRR for f0000000,8000000 found
> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
> X[22596]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000 sp bf91df1c error 4 in
> Xorg[8048000+179000] [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
> X[22764]: segfault at 20000d8 ip b7f266c4 sp bfd56a80 error 4 in
> libdrm_intel.so.1.0.0[b7f25000+7000]
> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
>
>    The MTRR warnings have been around forever on this machine. I think
> the drm:i915 warning is benign in that it's supposedly saying the
> kernel doesn't have gem support, but I could be very wrong about that.
>
>    The kernel is recent but not the most up to date.
>
>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
>
>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
>
>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark

have you rebuilt libxv?
what happens if you don't use xv but xshm as output plugin?

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.

It looks like maybe a problem with xv overlays. You can try using a
different output driver than xv. Also, try adding AccelMethod to your
device section in xorg.conf if you don't have it:

Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"

If that doesn't help, maybe try EXA instead of XAA.

Also, if you're using anything like compiz of KDE4 desktop effects,
try turning it off.

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
>> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
>> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
>> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
>> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.
>
> It looks like maybe a problem with xv overlays. You can try using a
> different output driver than xv. Also, try adding AccelMethod to your
> device section in xorg.conf if you don't have it:
>
> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
>
> If that doesn't help, maybe try EXA instead of XAA.
>
> Also, if you're using anything like compiz of KDE4 desktop effects,
> try turning it off.

Right now I don't have an xorg.conf file as the new xorg upgrade guide
encourages you to dump it. I'm not overly comfortable with that and
will likely try creating a new xorg or using my old one later. I'll
try your idea as soon as I get to that.

Thanks,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
>
>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
>
>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
>
>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
>
>   

I don't know if you have been following my recent thread or not but what
version of gcc are you using?  I was using gcc 4.3 and I am having
multiple issues with a lot of things.  I can't compile a kernel of if it
compiles some things don't work, sound for example.  Seamonkey crashes
at times for no reason.  I also had trouble with the new xorg-server
crashing with me.   Also, my camera and printer, which are USB, were no
longer found.

To fix this, I went back to gcc 4.1 and started a emerge -ev world.  As
things are being recompiled, things are getting back to normal.  I'm not
saying this will fix your issue but it may be something to consider if
you are using gcc 4.3.  So far, my camera and printer is back, I can
compile a kernel with no errors and Seamonkey is being compiled as I type.

Just something for you to ponder.  Maybe when you have ran out of other
ideas.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:14 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
<volkerarmin@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Freitag 17 April 2009, Mark Knecht wrote:
>> Hi,
>>    This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
>> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
>> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
>> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
>> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.
>>
>>    I've also tried upgrading xorg-x11 to version 7.4. No changes.
>>
>> mark@dragonfly ~/Desktop $ xine
>> This is xine (X11 gui) - a free video player v0.99.5.
>> (c) 2000-2007 The xine Team.
>> X Error of failed request:  BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)
>>  Major opcode of failed request:  140 (XVideo)
>>  Minor opcode of failed request:  19 ()
>>  Serial number of failed request:  1814
>>  Current serial number in output stream:  1815
>> mark@dragonfly ~/Desktop $
>>
>>   Note that this isn't even trying to play the file, it's just trying
>> to start the user interface.
>>
>>   I see segfault and error/warning messages in dmesg:
>>
>> mtrr: no MTRR for f0000000,8000000 found
>> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
>> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
>> X[22596]: segfault at 0 ip 00000000 sp bf91df1c error 4 in
>> Xorg[8048000+179000] [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
>> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
>> X[22764]: segfault at 20000d8 ip b7f266c4 sp bfd56a80 error 4 in
>> libdrm_intel.so.1.0.0[b7f25000+7000]
>> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
>> [drm:i915_getparam] *ERROR* Unknown parameter 5
>>
>>    The MTRR warnings have been around forever on this machine. I think
>> the drm:i915 warning is benign in that it's supposedly saying the
>> kernel doesn't have gem support, but I could be very wrong about that.
>>
>>    The kernel is recent but not the most up to date.
>>
>>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
>> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
>> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
>> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
>> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
>>
>>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
>>
>>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>
> have you rebuilt libxv?
> what happens if you don't use xv but xshm as output plugin?
>
>
>
Hi Volker,

The machine is clean emerge -DuN world, revdep-rebuild. As a test I
just rebuilt libXv and libXvMC but it still crashes.

dragonfly ~ # emerge -pv1 libXv libXvMC

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/libXv-1.0.4  USE="-debug" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/libXvMC-1.0.4  USE="-debug" 0 kB

Total: 2 packages (2 reinstalls), Size of downloads: 0 kB
dragonfly ~ #

Other mplayer formats do not crash. I've tried x11, gl & gl2. They all
work fine. Only

mplayer File.avi

or

mplayer -vo xv FILE.avi

crash X so it seems to be an xv thing. This all used to work before
the upgrade. I'm going to move on to Paul's suggestion about using an
xorg.conf file and see if that helps.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 17 April 2009, Dale wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
> >    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
> > I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
> > probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
> > for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
> > uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
> >
> >    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
> >
> >    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mark
>
> I don't know if you have been following my recent thread or not but what
> version of gcc are you using?  I was using gcc 4.3 and I am having
> multiple issues with a lot of things.  I can't compile a kernel of if it
> compiles some things don't work, sound for example.  Seamonkey crashes
> at times for no reason.  I also had trouble with the new xorg-server
> crashing with me.   Also, my camera and printer, which are USB, were no
> longer found.
>
> To fix this, I went back to gcc 4.1 and started a emerge -ev world.  As
> things are being recompiled, things are getting back to normal.  I'm not
> saying this will fix your issue but it may be something to consider if
> you are using gcc 4.3.  So far, my camera and printer is back, I can
> compile a kernel with no errors and Seamonkey is being compiled as I type.
>
> Just something for you to ponder.  Maybe when you have ran out of other
> ideas.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

     Installed versions:  4.3.3-r2(4.3)!s(01:52:54 29.03.2009)(fortran mudflap 
multilib nls openmp -altivec -bootstrap -build -doc -fixed-point -gcj -gtk -
hardened -ip28 -ip32r10k -libffi -multislot -n32 -n64 -nocxx -nopie -objc -
objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla)      

are you sure its gcc and not the kernel you are using? 

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>
>>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
>> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
>> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
>> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
>> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
>>
>>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
>>
>>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>
> I don't know if you have been following my recent thread or not but what
> version of gcc are you using?  I was using gcc 4.3 and I am having
> multiple issues with a lot of things.  I can't compile a kernel of if it
> compiles some things don't work, sound for example.  Seamonkey crashes
> at times for no reason.  I also had trouble with the new xorg-server
> crashing with me.   Also, my camera and printer, which are USB, were no
> longer found.
>
> To fix this, I went back to gcc 4.1 and started a emerge -ev world.  As
> things are being recompiled, things are getting back to normal.  I'm not
> saying this will fix your issue but it may be something to consider if
> you are using gcc 4.3.  So far, my camera and printer is back, I can
> compile a kernel with no errors and Seamonkey is being compiled as I type.
>
> Just something for you to ponder.  Maybe when you have ran out of other
> ideas.
>
> Dale
>

Dale,
   I have sort of been following that thread and it has been on my
mind. I currently do seem to be using 4.3.2 and I've wondered if that
requires a complete rebuild of the machine. I don't mind doing that
but I don't want to start down that path until I've exhausted all
other possibilities as it takes so much time. I'm pretty sure my
current kernel was compiled with 4.3.2 and X certainly was as I built
it this morning.

Thanks!

- Mark

dragonfly ~ # gcc-config -l
 [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.3
 [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4
 [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardened
 [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopie
 [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopiessp
 [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednossp
 [7] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.3.2 *
dragonfly ~ #
dragonfly ~ # emerge -pv gcc

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.2-r3  USE="fortran gcj gtk mudflap
nls openmp (-altivec) -bootstrap -build -doc (-fixed-point)
(-hardened) -ip28 -ip32r10k -libffi (-multilib) -multislot (-n32)
(-n64) -nocxx -nopie -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
dragonfly ~ #

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Freitag 17 April 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>     
>>>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
>>> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
>>> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
>>> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
>>> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
>>>
>>>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
>>>
>>>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark
>>>       
>> I don't know if you have been following my recent thread or not but what
>> version of gcc are you using?  I was using gcc 4.3 and I am having
>> multiple issues with a lot of things.  I can't compile a kernel of if it
>> compiles some things don't work, sound for example.  Seamonkey crashes
>> at times for no reason.  I also had trouble with the new xorg-server
>> crashing with me.   Also, my camera and printer, which are USB, were no
>> longer found.
>>
>> To fix this, I went back to gcc 4.1 and started a emerge -ev world.  As
>> things are being recompiled, things are getting back to normal.  I'm not
>> saying this will fix your issue but it may be something to consider if
>> you are using gcc 4.3.  So far, my camera and printer is back, I can
>> compile a kernel with no errors and Seamonkey is being compiled as I type.
>>
>> Just something for you to ponder.  Maybe when you have ran out of other
>> ideas.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>     
>
>      Installed versions:  4.3.3-r2(4.3)!s(01:52:54 29.03.2009)(fortran mudflap 
> multilib nls openmp -altivec -bootstrap -build -doc -fixed-point -gcj -gtk -
> hardened -ip28 -ip32r10k -libffi -multislot -n32 -n64 -nocxx -nopie -objc -
> objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla)      
>
> are you sure its gcc and not the kernel you are using? 
>
>
>
>   

Yep, as soon as I switched back and recompiled things, they started
working again.  So far, things are getting back to normal and I am about
half way though my emerge -ev world.  I am booting the same kernel that
I have been using for over a year.  One reason I have not upgraded my
kernel is the fact that gcc wouldn't compile a stable kernel.  It would
either error during the compile or things would not work even tho it
should.  Most of the time it would not finish a compile.

This may not be your problem but given what I have been through, I
thought it worth a mention.  If you run out of other ideas, switch back
to a older gcc then emerge -ev mythtv or whatever you need to do to test
this theory.  If that fixes it, then we know that gcc 4.3 has a "issue"
somewhere.

I hope you get it fixed either way.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Dale]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>     
>>>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
>>> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
>>> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
>>> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
>>> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
>>>
>>>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
>>>
>>>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> I don't know if you have been following my recent thread or not but what
>> version of gcc are you using?  I was using gcc 4.3 and I am having
>> multiple issues with a lot of things.  I can't compile a kernel of if it
>> compiles some things don't work, sound for example.  Seamonkey crashes
>> at times for no reason.  I also had trouble with the new xorg-server
>> crashing with me.   Also, my camera and printer, which are USB, were no
>> longer found.
>>
>> To fix this, I went back to gcc 4.1 and started a emerge -ev world.  As
>> things are being recompiled, things are getting back to normal.  I'm not
>> saying this will fix your issue but it may be something to consider if
>> you are using gcc 4.3.  So far, my camera and printer is back, I can
>> compile a kernel with no errors and Seamonkey is being compiled as I type.
>>
>> Just something for you to ponder.  Maybe when you have ran out of other
>> ideas.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>>     
>
> Dale,
>    I have sort of been following that thread and it has been on my
> mind. I currently do seem to be using 4.3.2 and I've wondered if that
> requires a complete rebuild of the machine. I don't mind doing that
> but I don't want to start down that path until I've exhausted all
> other possibilities as it takes so much time. I'm pretty sure my
> current kernel was compiled with 4.3.2 and X certainly was as I built
> it this morning.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Mark
>
> dragonfly ~ # gcc-config -l
>  [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.3
>  [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4
>  [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardened
>  [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopie
>  [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednopiessp
>  [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.4-hardenednossp
>  [7] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.3.2 *
> dragonfly ~ #
> dragonfly ~ # emerge -pv gcc
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild   R   ] sys-devel/gcc-4.3.2-r3  USE="fortran gcj gtk mudflap
> nls openmp (-altivec) -bootstrap -build -doc (-fixed-point)
> (-hardened) -ip28 -ip32r10k -libffi (-multilib) -multislot (-n32)
> (-n64) -nocxx -nopie -objc -objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla" 0 kB
>
> Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
> dragonfly ~ #
>
>
>   

I can't say with 100% certainty that this is gcc but I'm 99% sure it is
in my case.  I switched to gcc 4.3 and things just got weird.  Kernels
wouldn't compile, my sound quit working, my USB ports went belly up and
things started crashing.  Seamonkey was one of them.  That started out
on a specific site but then just started crashing even when I was doing
nothing at all.  I would come back and it would be gone.  Then Kmix,
alsamixer wouldn't open any more and a few other weird things.

I'm half way though my emerge -ev world and I can tell you things are a
lot better.  I have not changed any configs, changed kernels or anything
else, just switched back to the old gcc and started a emerge -e world. 

I would exhaust everything else but you may want to keep this in the
back of your mind just in case.  My gcc info:

root@smoker / # gcc-config -l
 [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.2 *
 [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.3.2
root@smoker / #

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Paul Hartman
> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
>>> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
>>> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
>>> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
>>> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.
>>
>> It looks like maybe a problem with xv overlays. You can try using a
>> different output driver than xv. Also, try adding AccelMethod to your
>> device section in xorg.conf if you don't have it:
>>
>> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
>>
>> If that doesn't help, maybe try EXA instead of XAA.
>>
>> Also, if you're using anything like compiz of KDE4 desktop effects,
>> try turning it off.
>
> Right now I don't have an xorg.conf file as the new xorg upgrade guide
> encourages you to dump it. I'm not overly comfortable with that and
> will likely try creating a new xorg or using my old one later. I'll
> try your idea as soon as I get to that.

I'm not sure if video device options such as AccelMethod can be set
via FDI... I think they may still belong in xorg.conf, just not input
devices. I have nothing but the video device options in my xorg.conf
:)

Also as someone suggested in a similar thread recently, maybe give
driconf a try as well.

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 18 April 2009, Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Freitag 17 April 2009, Dale wrote:
> >> Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
> >>> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
> >>> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
> >>> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
> >>> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
> >>>
> >>>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
> >>>
> >>>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Mark
> >>
> >> I don't know if you have been following my recent thread or not but what
> >> version of gcc are you using?  I was using gcc 4.3 and I am having
> >> multiple issues with a lot of things.  I can't compile a kernel of if it
> >> compiles some things don't work, sound for example.  Seamonkey crashes
> >> at times for no reason.  I also had trouble with the new xorg-server
> >> crashing with me.   Also, my camera and printer, which are USB, were no
> >> longer found.
> >>
> >> To fix this, I went back to gcc 4.1 and started a emerge -ev world.  As
> >> things are being recompiled, things are getting back to normal.  I'm not
> >> saying this will fix your issue but it may be something to consider if
> >> you are using gcc 4.3.  So far, my camera and printer is back, I can
> >> compile a kernel with no errors and Seamonkey is being compiled as I
> >> type.
> >>
> >> Just something for you to ponder.  Maybe when you have ran out of other
> >> ideas.
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-)
> >
> >      Installed versions:  4.3.3-r2(4.3)!s(01:52:54 29.03.2009)(fortran
> > mudflap multilib nls openmp -altivec -bootstrap -build -doc -fixed-point
> > -gcj -gtk - hardened -ip28 -ip32r10k -libffi -multislot -n32 -n64 -nocxx
> > -nopie -objc - objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla)
> >
> > are you sure its gcc and not the kernel you are using?
>
> Yep, as soon as I switched back and recompiled things, they started
> working again.  So far, things are getting back to normal and I am about
> half way though my emerge -ev world.  I am booting the same kernel that
> I have been using for over a year.  One reason I have not upgraded my
> kernel is the fact that gcc wouldn't compile a stable kernel.  It would
> either error during the compile or things would not work even tho it
> should.  Most of the time it would not finish a compile.
>
> This may not be your problem but given what I have been through, I
> thought it worth a mention.  If you run out of other ideas, switch back
> to a older gcc then emerge -ev mythtv or whatever you need to do to test
> this theory.  If that fixes it, then we know that gcc 4.3 has a "issue"
> somewhere.
>
> I hope you get it fixed either way.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

I don't have problems. In fact, gcc4.3 worked very fine for me - but I also do 
not use acient kernels or software from the stone ages of programing (aka 2008 
;) )

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 18 April 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>     
>>> On Freitag 17 April 2009, Dale wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
>>>>> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
>>>>> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
>>>>> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
>>>>> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
>>>>>
>>>>>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>           
>>>> I don't know if you have been following my recent thread or not but what
>>>> version of gcc are you using?  I was using gcc 4.3 and I am having
>>>> multiple issues with a lot of things.  I can't compile a kernel of if it
>>>> compiles some things don't work, sound for example.  Seamonkey crashes
>>>> at times for no reason.  I also had trouble with the new xorg-server
>>>> crashing with me.   Also, my camera and printer, which are USB, were no
>>>> longer found.
>>>>
>>>> To fix this, I went back to gcc 4.1 and started a emerge -ev world.  As
>>>> things are being recompiled, things are getting back to normal.  I'm not
>>>> saying this will fix your issue but it may be something to consider if
>>>> you are using gcc 4.3.  So far, my camera and printer is back, I can
>>>> compile a kernel with no errors and Seamonkey is being compiled as I
>>>> type.
>>>>
>>>> Just something for you to ponder.  Maybe when you have ran out of other
>>>> ideas.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>> :-)  :-)
>>>>         
>>>      Installed versions:  4.3.3-r2(4.3)!s(01:52:54 29.03.2009)(fortran
>>> mudflap multilib nls openmp -altivec -bootstrap -build -doc -fixed-point
>>> -gcj -gtk - hardened -ip28 -ip32r10k -libffi -multislot -n32 -n64 -nocxx
>>> -nopie -objc - objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla)
>>>
>>> are you sure its gcc and not the kernel you are using?
>>>       
>> Yep, as soon as I switched back and recompiled things, they started
>> working again.  So far, things are getting back to normal and I am about
>> half way though my emerge -ev world.  I am booting the same kernel that
>> I have been using for over a year.  One reason I have not upgraded my
>> kernel is the fact that gcc wouldn't compile a stable kernel.  It would
>> either error during the compile or things would not work even tho it
>> should.  Most of the time it would not finish a compile.
>>
>> This may not be your problem but given what I have been through, I
>> thought it worth a mention.  If you run out of other ideas, switch back
>> to a older gcc then emerge -ev mythtv or whatever you need to do to test
>> this theory.  If that fixes it, then we know that gcc 4.3 has a "issue"
>> somewhere.
>>
>> I hope you get it fixed either way.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>     
>
> I don't have problems. In fact, gcc4.3 worked very fine for me - but I also do 
> not use acient kernels or software from the stone ages of programing (aka 2008 
> ;) )
>
>
>
>   

Well, the kernel that would not compile is a gentoo-sources-2.6.29-r1, I
also tried gentoo-sources-2.6.29, gentoo-sources-2.6.28-r2 and
gentoo-sources-2.6.27-r7.  I don't think those are that old.  I run
mostly stable with only a few exceptions.  I wouldn't call that the
"stone age".  After all, 2008 was only a few months ago.

If it works for you, great.  Point of my reply was that it is not
working here for me.  I'm not dreaming, I am as sure of that as anything
else on this machine.  I even tested it with a CD to make sure my
hardware was good.  It is, gcc 4.3 appears not to be.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Samstag 18 April 2009, Dale wrote:
> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > On Samstag 18 April 2009, Dale wrote:
> >> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> >>> On Freitag 17 April 2009, Dale wrote:
> >>>> Mark Knecht wrote:
> >>>>>    Does *anyone* have an idea what I should do to debug this further?
> >>>>> I've never managed to get good backtrace info under Gentoo so that's
> >>>>> probably a struggle I'd rather not deal with if possible, especially
> >>>>> for something as complicated as X. The segfault looks like something
> >>>>> uninitialized to me but what do I know... (Not much!)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    I can send all sorts of machine/Gentoo info if requested.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>    Anyway, all thoughts appreciated.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't know if you have been following my recent thread or not but
> >>>> what version of gcc are you using?  I was using gcc 4.3 and I am
> >>>> having multiple issues with a lot of things.  I can't compile a kernel
> >>>> of if it compiles some things don't work, sound for example. 
> >>>> Seamonkey crashes at times for no reason.  I also had trouble with the
> >>>> new xorg-server crashing with me.   Also, my camera and printer, which
> >>>> are USB, were no longer found.
> >>>>
> >>>> To fix this, I went back to gcc 4.1 and started a emerge -ev world. 
> >>>> As things are being recompiled, things are getting back to normal. 
> >>>> I'm not saying this will fix your issue but it may be something to
> >>>> consider if you are using gcc 4.3.  So far, my camera and printer is
> >>>> back, I can compile a kernel with no errors and Seamonkey is being
> >>>> compiled as I type.
> >>>>
> >>>> Just something for you to ponder.  Maybe when you have ran out of
> >>>> other ideas.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dale
> >>>>
> >>>> :-)  :-)
> >>>
> >>>      Installed versions:  4.3.3-r2(4.3)!s(01:52:54 29.03.2009)(fortran
> >>> mudflap multilib nls openmp -altivec -bootstrap -build -doc
> >>> -fixed-point -gcj -gtk - hardened -ip28 -ip32r10k -libffi -multislot
> >>> -n32 -n64 -nocxx -nopie -objc - objc++ -objc-gc -test -vanilla)
> >>>
> >>> are you sure its gcc and not the kernel you are using?
> >>
> >> Yep, as soon as I switched back and recompiled things, they started
> >> working again.  So far, things are getting back to normal and I am about
> >> half way though my emerge -ev world.  I am booting the same kernel that
> >> I have been using for over a year.  One reason I have not upgraded my
> >> kernel is the fact that gcc wouldn't compile a stable kernel.  It would
> >> either error during the compile or things would not work even tho it
> >> should.  Most of the time it would not finish a compile.
> >>
> >> This may not be your problem but given what I have been through, I
> >> thought it worth a mention.  If you run out of other ideas, switch back
> >> to a older gcc then emerge -ev mythtv or whatever you need to do to test
> >> this theory.  If that fixes it, then we know that gcc 4.3 has a "issue"
> >> somewhere.
> >>
> >> I hope you get it fixed either way.
> >>
> >> Dale
> >>
> >> :-)  :-)
> >
> > I don't have problems. In fact, gcc4.3 worked very fine for me - but I
> > also do not use acient kernels or software from the stone ages of
> > programing (aka 2008 ;) )
>
> Well, the kernel that would not compile is a gentoo-sources-2.6.29-r1, I
> also tried gentoo-sources-2.6.29, gentoo-sources-2.6.28-r2 and
> gentoo-sources-2.6.27-r7.  I don't think those are that old.  I run
> mostly stable with only a few exceptions.  I wouldn't call that the
> "stone age".  After all, 2008 was only a few months ago.
>
> If it works for you, great.  Point of my reply was that it is not
> working here for me.  I'm not dreaming, I am as sure of that as anything
> else on this machine.  I even tested it with a CD to make sure my
> hardware was good.  It is, gcc 4.3 appears not to be.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

and have you ever tried a kernel without stupid patches - aka vanilla sources?

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
>> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
>> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
>> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
>> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.
>
> It looks like maybe a problem with xv overlays. You can try using a
> different output driver than xv. Also, try adding AccelMethod to your
> device section in xorg.conf if you don't have it:
>
> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
>
> If that doesn't help, maybe try EXA instead of XAA.
>
> Also, if you're using anything like compiz of KDE4 desktop effects,
> try turning it off.
>
>

OK, I tried XAA and EXA. I see evidence in Xorg.0.log that they are
each recognized but both ways I'm still crashing X.

This is very disappointing, but at least I can run mplayer on this
machine if I remember to set the decoder type.

Our emails are crossing in the ether. I'm building driconf now and
will see what I can do with that. I'm not sure what to try. driconf
doesn't seem very happy. It cannot find glxinfo, and I just found out
that glxgears is no longer on the system. Did that change with
xorg-7.4 or do I need to re-emerge something? I cannot remember.

Anyway, I'll keep plugging away at this. Thanks for the idea on driconf.

Cheers,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Dale]

Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Samstag 18 April 2009, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
>>     
>>>       
>>> I don't have problems. In fact, gcc4.3 worked very fine for me - but I
>>> also do not use acient kernels or software from the stone ages of
>>> programing (aka 2008 ;) )
>>>       
>> Well, the kernel that would not compile is a gentoo-sources-2.6.29-r1, I
>> also tried gentoo-sources-2.6.29, gentoo-sources-2.6.28-r2 and
>> gentoo-sources-2.6.27-r7.  I don't think those are that old.  I run
>> mostly stable with only a few exceptions.  I wouldn't call that the
>> "stone age".  After all, 2008 was only a few months ago.
>>
>> If it works for you, great.  Point of my reply was that it is not
>> working here for me.  I'm not dreaming, I am as sure of that as anything
>> else on this machine.  I even tested it with a CD to make sure my
>> hardware was good.  It is, gcc 4.3 appears not to be.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>     
>
> and have you ever tried a kernel without stupid patches - aka vanilla sources?
>
>
>
>   

Nope, never had a reason to.  Thing is, they compile just fine with gcc
4.1 so why should I try that?  It doesn't compile or work with gcc 4.3
but does compile and work with gcc 4.1.  That along with everything else
tells me that at least on this rig, gcc 4.3 has a problem.  NOTHING
changed except for the compiler.  No configs, not my make.conf, not
anything.  Not even the version of software changed.  I switched to gcc
4.1 and things are getting back to normal. 

This isn't just a kernel problem.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Paul Hartman]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Paul Hartman
> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
>>> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
>>> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
>>> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
>>> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.
>>
>> It looks like maybe a problem with xv overlays. You can try using a
>> different output driver than xv. Also, try adding AccelMethod to your
>> device section in xorg.conf if you don't have it:
>>
>> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
>>
>> If that doesn't help, maybe try EXA instead of XAA.
>>
>> Also, if you're using anything like compiz of KDE4 desktop effects,
>> try turning it off.
>>
>>
>
> OK, I tried XAA and EXA. I see evidence in Xorg.0.log that they are
> each recognized but both ways I'm still crashing X.
>
> This is very disappointing, but at least I can run mplayer on this
> machine if I remember to set the decoder type.
>
> Our emails are crossing in the ether. I'm building driconf now and
> will see what I can do with that. I'm not sure what to try. driconf
> doesn't seem very happy. It cannot find glxinfo, and I just found out
> that glxgears is no longer on the system. Did that change with
> xorg-7.4 or do I need to re-emerge something? I cannot remember.
>
> Anyway, I'll keep plugging away at this. Thanks for the idea on driconf.

Could it be you don't have mesa-progs installed? (Or perhaps even mesa itself?)

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[Mark Knecht]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Paul Hartman
>> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
>>>> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
>>>> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
>>>> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
>>>> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.
>>>
>>> It looks like maybe a problem with xv overlays. You can try using a
>>> different output driver than xv. Also, try adding AccelMethod to your
>>> device section in xorg.conf if you don't have it:
>>>
>>> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
>>>
>>> If that doesn't help, maybe try EXA instead of XAA.
>>>
>>> Also, if you're using anything like compiz of KDE4 desktop effects,
>>> try turning it off.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> OK, I tried XAA and EXA. I see evidence in Xorg.0.log that they are
>> each recognized but both ways I'm still crashing X.
>>
>> This is very disappointing, but at least I can run mplayer on this
>> machine if I remember to set the decoder type.
>>
>> Our emails are crossing in the ether. I'm building driconf now and
>> will see what I can do with that. I'm not sure what to try. driconf
>> doesn't seem very happy. It cannot find glxinfo, and I just found out
>> that glxgears is no longer on the system. Did that change with
>> xorg-7.4 or do I need to re-emerge something? I cannot remember.
>>
>> Anyway, I'll keep plugging away at this. Thanks for the idea on driconf.
>
> Could it be you don't have mesa-progs installed? (Or perhaps even mesa itself?)
>
>
Yeah, it seems mesa-progs isn't installed which explains the lack of
glxgears. I guess that was jsut included by default with the old
server.

I do note that while I have xorg-x11-7.4 installed, I only have
mesa-7.3-r1, not 7.4. Are those intended to match up 1 for 1? Probably
doesn't matter...

Thanks,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] Continued Xorg crashes

[William Kenworthy]

On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 17:35 -0500, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Paul Hartman
> > <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Mark Knecht <markknecht@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> This started as part of Michael's thread about Myth crashing.
> >>> mythfrontend is segfaulting for me also, but my problem has spread to
> >>> pretty much any application that tries to display video - mplayer,
> >>> xine and Myth all crash with similar errors. Only xine doesn't crash X
> >>> completely and leaves behind anything in terms of clues.
> >>
> >> It looks like maybe a problem with xv overlays. You can try using a
> >> different output driver than xv. Also, try adding AccelMethod to your
> >> device section in xorg.conf if you don't have it:
> >>
> >> Option "AccelMethod" "XAA"
> >>
> >> If that doesn't help, maybe try EXA instead of XAA.
> >>
> >> Also, if you're using anything like compiz of KDE4 desktop effects,
> >> try turning it off.
> >
> > Right now I don't have an xorg.conf file as the new xorg upgrade guide
> > encourages you to dump it. I'm not overly comfortable with that and
> > will likely try creating a new xorg or using my old one later. I'll
> > try your idea as soon as I get to that.
> 
> I'm not sure if video device options such as AccelMethod can be set
> via FDI... I think they may still belong in xorg.conf, just not input
> devices. I have nothing but the video device options in my xorg.conf
> :)
> 
> Also as someone suggested in a similar thread recently, maybe give
> driconf a try as well.
> 

No, driconf isnt helping me - vmware also does for me, and sometimes
after a tuxonice suspend to ram.  Almost seems to be anything creating a
heavy load and while accessing video on the i915.  In some cases I am
left with a X mouse cursor and that can move in x&y, but not click.
Trying to ssh in and restart x doesnt work, and when rebooting the last
screen stays displayed (the original x window at the time of crash)
stays up until the warm start point is reached.  ive found 2.6.28 is
more stable than 2.6.29, but not by a lot ...

BillK