From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LsIAk-0004mp-L0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:57:38 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D7559E05DE; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f176.google.com (mail-gx0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9328E05DE for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:57:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so2402445gxk.10 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iopHpTHGlBM3K0sXJ0qnt3vqcsRqhbnSp5o9sx5UlMU=; b=aCCghkjlEXjmkCnUf3fXsKd0krMQ+8XfeT2tmqZPcXi9aFMdAHfWZdZ7Y7lRtR8dFd pW6Dyh9ykLYbNNrsB1FZgEeoBGyXOIfFaznDXrlx6koFLzxjLpQkeAhgktPCOuoJQYZz 9gIXH284dCup9qpOFS1O6BlKIPwBoUaMLTlXc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V+3R+4VWFbPTvEgaj9H8DntWHZo6Mosw5+7QBxA2l6Mn01RWQo019QMJT1vBB+P0X/ /eA2OGCfJNiGSGEjQXaDlHTWjTkPUpiFnNMBIn4s6joHHMbxj2Qtf57hig4zXGbvpR9a fMXlkC5HA/WlbLd3TtUOHr+8VppS0/cq+Wt4o= Received: by 10.90.49.8 with SMTP id w8mr4546551agw.118.1239375456276; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?64.89.169.193? (r169h193.dixie-net.com [64.89.169.193]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 11sm2081370aga.30.2009.04.10.07.57.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:57:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49DF5E58.8020307@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 09:57:28 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090407 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] What annoys you? References: <49DF4B1B.3040101@gmail.com> <20090410144637.GA13479@cubotto.ath.cx> <49DF55CB.4070408@gmail.com> <58965d8a0904100746x1cc45038vef0d8b290f1f45ce@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <58965d8a0904100746x1cc45038vef0d8b290f1f45ce@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a50ffa15-b1cb-4536-968b-e478328daf00 X-Archives-Hash: eb344b4d429f7c80e06294e775d8089f Paul Hartman wrote: > On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Dale wrote: > >> Momesso Andrea wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:35:23AM -0500, Dale wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Wyatt Epp wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Greets, >>>>> >>>>> So while gearing up for the Summer of Code, I noted a lot of things >>>>> that I had come to accept as normal that I feel should not be so. >>>>> Things like the danger of depclean or the way portage will only show >>>>> one mask at a time. So I was curious...what have people that are >>>>> /not/ myself and my mate noticed that is mildly irritating and >>>>> disruptive to the Gentoo experience? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Wyatt >>>>> >>>>> >>>> After the mess with my updates yesterday, I wish portage had a undo >>>> feature. Something like emerge --undo-updates world that puts >>>> everything back to the way it was before a recent upgrade. Maybe even >>>> make it so we can set a stable point and return to that. Crap, that >>>> sounds like something windoze has. o_O I still think it would be a >>>> cool idea. Sometimes upgrades cause all kinds of issues and need to be >>>> undone. Going back to a known stable point would be great. >>>> >>>> Now someone tell me this exists already. lol They have added so much >>>> to portage lately I haven't been able to keep up. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I don't think portage has this option, and I hope it will never. >>> >>> Suppose you have to deal with a big upgrade (that icludes glibc) and the >>> next day you tell portage to rollback... >>> >>> I prefer the old way, read the emerge log (or use genlop), and rollback >>> manually. FEATURES="buildsyspkg" can be helpful when you break mission >>> critical stuff. >>> >>> --- >>> TopperH >>> http://topperh.blogspot.com >>> >>> >> In that case, portage can tell you it can't roll back. It could even >> tell you that before the upgrade. The thing about yesterday, I had no >> keyboard or mouse. If I hadn't wrote down how to add softlevel=boot on >> the end of the grub boot line, I have no idea what I would have done at >> that point. >> >> Of course, it would have also been nice if hal had just wrote to a log >> that it couldn't find the proper driver or whatever for the keyboard >> and/or mouse then defaulted to the old way. That has to be better than >> being forced to unplug a computer without a proper shutdown. >> >> Just tossing ideas for something more positive in the future. >> >> Dale >> > > I think everyone on ~arch had the no keyboard/mouse problem many > months ago (including me, luckily i have more than 1 computer and was > able to ssh in to make the needed changes), and there were dozens > (hundreds?) of threads here and on the forums about people having this > problem and how to fix it, so I am /shocked/ that "they" didn't put a > warning on the ebuild telling you what you might need to do before you > restart X the next time. It seems like it would help cure people from > running into that problem. Or make X depend on evdev when hal USE flag > is enabled, or change the xorg.conf to have the needed settings, or > something other than just forcing people to learn the hard way. > > I had read here that people was having trouble. I also monitor -dev as well. I had set evdev in make.conf a long time ago. I had been checking some settings and such when reading the thread so I was expecting a somewhat smooth transition. What really upset me was having to pull the plug. I got backups of most things on here but I'm on dial-up and getting it to work off the CD is a PITA to say it lightly. I also wanted to read a link that elog had in it to only find out the link don't even work. I got a nice pretty 404 error message tho. My plan at the moment is to leave it masked until I know for sure it is going to work or at the least let me be able to shutdown without pulling the plug. Maybe by then hal will have the config files where I can just copy them over. I read somewhere that it is in the works. I'm glad I been using Gentoo for several years. If I was a newbie, I'd be screwed. Dale :-) :-)