[gentoo-user] [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[gentoo-user] [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Jacques Montier]

Hi all,

Is it possible to configure HAL for managing graphic card without any
xorg.conf ?

Thanks a lot,

Jacques

Re: [gentoo-user] [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Jacques Montier
<jacques.montier@numericable.fr> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Is it possible to configure HAL for managing graphic card without any
> xorg.conf ?

I think so, if you are using generic vesa drivers. I believe if you
need ati/nvidia binary driver you still need to define it in xorg. But
you can leave out all of the modes etc. You just need to define a
screen and a graphics card/driver. Usually the rest will happen
automatically. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Paul Hartman wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 5:56 AM, Jacques Montier
>
> <jacques.montier@numericable.fr> wrote:

> > Is it possible to configure HAL for managing graphic card without any
> > xorg.conf ?
>
> I think so, if you are using generic vesa drivers. I believe if you
> need ati/nvidia binary driver you still need to define it in xorg. 

I just have set VIDEO_CARDS="radeon" in my /etc/make.conf and xorg seems to 
pull in x11-drivers/xf86-video-ati all on its own.  I no longer have an 
xorg.conf and it is not defined 
in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-xinput-configuration.fdi 

Not sure how things work with Nvidia.

BTW, the new xorg dri is reaaaaally slow.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Jacques Montier]

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[gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Mick wrote:
> BTW, the new xorg dri is reaaaaally slow.

You need to enable EXA as acceleration type.  And for that, you *need* 
an xorg.conf.

   Section "Device"
         Driver      "radeon"
         Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
   EndSection

I believe the default is "XAA" which is slow.  Also, with that driver, 
it makes more sense to get the latest (~arch) along with ~arch DRI 
kernel modules.  The "unstable" ones (according to portage) are actually 
way more stable and faster than the "stable" ones.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > BTW, the new xorg dri is reaaaaally slow.
>
> You need to enable EXA as acceleration type.  And for that, you *need*
> an xorg.conf.
>
>    Section "Device"
>          Driver      "radeon"
>          Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
>    EndSection
>
> I believe the default is "XAA" which is slow.  Also, with that driver,
> it makes more sense to get the latest (~arch) along with ~arch DRI
> kernel modules.  The "unstable" ones (according to portage) are actually
> way more stable and faster than the "stable" ones.

Thanks for this useful hint!
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@arcor.de> wrote:
> Mick wrote:
>>
>> BTW, the new xorg dri is reaaaaally slow.
>
> You need to enable EXA as acceleration type.  And for that, you *need* an
> xorg.conf.
>
>  Section "Device"
>        Driver      "radeon"
>        Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
>  EndSection
>
> I believe the default is "XAA" which is slow.  Also, with that driver, it
> makes more sense to get the latest (~arch) along with ~arch DRI kernel
> modules.  The "unstable" ones (according to portage) are actually way more
> stable and faster than the "stable" ones.

I just added that line on my laptop and now XFCE is much faster now. Thank you!

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 07 April 2009, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > BTW, the new xorg dri is reaaaaally slow.
>
> You need to enable EXA as acceleration type.  And for that, you *need*
> an xorg.conf.
>
>    Section "Device"
>          Driver      "radeon"
>          Option      "AccelMethod" "EXA"
>    EndSection
>
> I believe the default is "XAA" which is slow.  Also, with that driver,
> it makes more sense to get the latest (~arch) along with ~arch DRI
> kernel modules.  The "unstable" ones (according to portage) are actually
> way more stable and faster than the "stable" ones.

I tried EXA but it made no difference.  I'll wait for the ~arch to become 
stable I guess, as it does not bother me.
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:08:50 +0100
Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> I tried EXA but it made no difference.

Prehaps you forgot to setup dri?
If so, try x11-misc/driconf.

-- 
Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Mick]

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On Saturday 11 April 2009, Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:08:50 +0100
>
> Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I tried EXA but it made no difference.
>
> Prehaps you forgot to setup dri?
> If so, try x11-misc/driconf.

Thanks Mike, how do you mean set up dri?  It is shown as 'yes' in glxinfo.
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 11:33:10 +0100
Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Mike, how do you mean set up dri?  It is shown as 'yes' in glxinfo.
...
> On Saturday 11 April 2009, Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> > If so, try x11-misc/driconf.

Just try this tool, it's GUI, written just for that purpose.
It'll create ~/.drirc file, which was necessary for me (intel igp) to
get x10+ performance gain with OpenGL-enabled games.

-- 
Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Peter Humphrey]

On Saturday 11 April 2009 11:26:11 Mike Kazantsev wrote:

> If so, try x11-misc/driconf.

Is this for ATI only? On my box I get a complaint about libGL being too old. 
Actually, it's absent altogether. I have nvidia.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:26:19 +0100
Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:

> On Saturday 11 April 2009 11:26:11 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> 
> > If so, try x11-misc/driconf.
> 
> Is this for ATI only? On my box I get a complaint about libGL being too old. 
> Actually, it's absent altogether. I have nvidia.

Could be even mesa-only, sorry, because I've used it only with intel
IGP, but suppose it should be worth a try.

-- 
Mike Kazantsev // fraggod.net

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 13 April 2009 02:32:18 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:26:19 +0100
>
> Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:
> > On Saturday 11 April 2009 11:26:11 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> > > If so, try x11-misc/driconf.
> >
> > Is this for ATI only? On my box I get a complaint about libGL being too
> > old. Actually, it's absent altogether. I have nvidia.
>
> Could be even mesa-only, sorry, because I've used it only with intel
> IGP, but suppose it should be worth a try.

So not ATI-only then. Do you know what package includes libGL? I've looked 
on Google but haven't found anything. I asked this yesterday but just got 
an unrelated reply.

-- 
Rgds
Peter

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 13 April 2009 11:00:01 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Monday 13 April 2009 02:32:18 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:26:19 +0100
> >
> > Peter Humphrey <peter@humphrey.ukfsn.org> wrote:
> > > On Saturday 11 April 2009 11:26:11 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> > > > If so, try x11-misc/driconf.
> > >
> > > Is this for ATI only? On my box I get a complaint about libGL being too
> > > old. Actually, it's absent altogether. I have nvidia.
> >
> > Could be even mesa-only, sorry, because I've used it only with intel
> > IGP, but suppose it should be worth a try.
>
> So not ATI-only then. Do you know what package includes libGL? I've looked
> on Google but haven't found anything. I asked this yesterday but just got
> an unrelated reply.

It depends:

alan@nazgul ~/wine $ equery belongs /usr/lib64/opengl/xorg-
x11/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib64/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so.1.2 in *... ]
media-libs/mesa-7.4 (/usr/lib64/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so.1.2)
alan@nazgul ~/wine $ equery belongs /usr/lib32/opengl/xorg-
x11/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib32/opengl/xorg-x11/lib/libGL.so.1.2 in *... ]
app-emulation/emul-linux-x86-xlibs-20080810 (/usr/lib32/opengl/xorg-
x11/lib/libGL.so.1.2)

On a 32bit system, it will be mesa

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Jens Krahe]

Am Sonntag, 12. April 2009 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> On Saturday 11 April 2009 11:26:11 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> > If so, try x11-misc/driconf.
>
> Is this for ATI only? On my box I get a complaint about libGL being too
> old. Actually, it's absent altogether. I have nvidia.

Nvidia's closed source drivers don't use DRI.

[gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Jens Krahe wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 12. April 2009 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
>> On Saturday 11 April 2009 11:26:11 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
>>> If so, try x11-misc/driconf.
>> Is this for ATI only? On my box I get a complaint about libGL being too
>> old. Actually, it's absent altogether. I have nvidia.
> 
> Nvidia's closed source drivers don't use DRI.

Neither does ATI's.  driconf settings are only picked up by the open 
source drivers that support DRI.

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [xorg-server-1.5] managing graphic card

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 13 April 2009 10:58:38 Jens Krahe wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 12. April 2009 schrieb Peter Humphrey:
> > On Saturday 11 April 2009 11:26:11 Mike Kazantsev wrote:
> > > If so, try x11-misc/driconf.
> >
> > Is this for ATI only? On my box I get a complaint about libGL being too
> > old. Actually, it's absent altogether. I have nvidia.
>
> Nvidia's closed source drivers don't use DRI.

Ah. Thanks for saving me a bit of head-scratching.

Thanks also to Alan, whose help it seems I can't use after all.

-- 
Rgds
Peter