From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LqI74-0008RR-7D for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 05 Apr 2009 02:29:34 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88356E0406; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 02:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f176.google.com (mail-gx0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A60AE0406 for ; Sun, 5 Apr 2009 02:29:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk24 with SMTP id 24so3596176gxk.10 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:29:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F7qzjhZAmGMxPC1gyo5QPPZFmVlbwULkCxYY8meNk7Q=; b=YgS+5IQmkuSMtGHZ1PsHgj8oUNyjqneEEf+AOvmu6cb11XH2Rt2Ut8gf77aUFe2TZa diP2JBCqmMUPfP+nk33IAkFFuFiTITH6JMezETGNrEPVRu0CNl5FfNb1sQuy797voEPI muWYvBzJnvA7w1CjNHUQ310HLRvIrM6v1L0NQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=joM2iFtNTarb3R8q6uhxI4RovF264T2wcZdJ20cNCw2ko7I0lKX8h7B5nGJihRz4j+ mhFXEBGLfWJkAC0eZ7e3hFKRV8w2Tu9D5I7HTv5c8Bp/gQ8xEWsF2hTqG98cVDIcsJ9C Q+2/q7/WIlmofeIO040mn6gJpF0tp9y6Ziuxc= Received: by 10.90.25.11 with SMTP id 11mr955445agy.72.1238898572127; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?64.89.163.2? (r163h2.dixie-net.com [64.89.163.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm4685412agd.41.2009.04.04.19.28.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Apr 2009 19:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49D81714.1010602@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 21:27:32 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090325 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What annoys you? References: <49D66D70.5070901@kutulu.org> <342e1090904031439i3f163227xa2e567cbcd5f51a1@mail.gmail.com> <200904032355.42701.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <49D7DB83.5010900@kutulu.org> In-Reply-To: <49D7DB83.5010900@kutulu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 83478005-0d9f-4075-9bdf-566892224837 X-Archives-Hash: a634ec2af8e008b6f3548f454936c227 Mike Edenfield wrote: > Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> On Friday 03 April 2009, Daniel da Veiga wrote: >>> >>> I would still think its a problema. >>> People would install Gentoo, get a functional system, not read the >>> handbook, and flood the forums and this mailing list with already >>> answered and handbook questions. The installer would only benefit the >>> more experienced user that would get an unattended installation, and >>> yet, experienced users tend to customize their systems, so, no >>> installer would help them. >> >> exactly. Installer = not reading documentation = epic failure waiting >> to happen > > Each time I read this, it occurs to me that you are seriously > confusing "reading the documentation" with "understanding the > documentation." > > The number of people who manage to parrot the handbook instructions > into a bash prompt, get Gentoo up, then do absolutely idiotic things > to break it that show up on IRC should be proof enough that just > reading the handbook does not a Gentoo expert make. > > > When I installed Gentoo, ages ago, I followed the handbook, even did some copy and paste. I must agree with Volker here, doing the install the Gentoo way does teach a person a lot. I'm not saying they know everything but they do learn a lot about Gentoo. I used to notice people on the forums and this list back when there was a installer, asking questions that had they installed the manual way would not have to be asked. They would have learned how to do things during the install. Gentoo had a installer and it didn't work out. Can't we let the thing rest in peace? I seriously doubt the devs will be working on that for a good long time. I can't recall hearing any dev saying they wanted to either, at least not on gentoo-dev anyway. Dale :-) :-)