From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Lq1CY-0000ws-Hp for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 08:26:06 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5B532E05F9; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.158]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 393CAE05F9 for ; Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 6so1000528yxn.46 for ; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:26:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A+jvNoTjHE5R73rreHn5jeb/h1vrcgXb+7Nu6zKrzVg=; b=Ny2h0C8rLi6ZAgD/052li/ajLOep5I+zu7eOI+1F7oAn3a9gWzInyUom9g3sh5f2lf 2yo197XFlMBKXMIhaptknojwBT8AhVR8d8+ond+2IwF9j6YOrufVySTmfi7bdv+YAf2h EF/FZEis8P3XD970sKsoLMJZcrxB87SjJMuHY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Iff+fLKNxTya/t9LNNOhkwL0QRmvdyP0hlB9Hem8B6nTyl0VUrULHHCs0VgNT6YR+C qLiAysCiVnG2mOaFb/WCb7s9723Mj50GgUXxNu7jWcVEozbGwzAly+uulM/2V83O3p40 YXsk9ixDVCVLBPcxavUWA8ZTMqCyM5XzutGAM= Received: by 10.90.117.17 with SMTP id p17mr1316799agc.52.1238833563890; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?64.89.163.170? (r163h170.dixie-net.com [64.89.163.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm3858005aga.73.2009.04.04.01.26.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:26:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <49D71996.50600@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 03:25:58 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.21) Gecko/20090325 SeaMonkey/1.1.15 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: What annoys you? References: <200904032138.27789.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <49D66D70.5070901@kutulu.org> <342e1090904031439i3f163227xa2e567cbcd5f51a1@mail.gmail.com> <4ef07b8c0904031659hff7b247p55da64c272b1c301@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4ef07b8c0904031659hff7b247p55da64c272b1c301@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e5600bc9-8b3e-4553-a19f-0330eba791e9 X-Archives-Hash: 2c772c85fc8e26fa6660e8554e15fae7 Dan Cowsill wrote: > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Daniel da Veiga wrote: > >> I would still think its a problema. >> People would install Gentoo, get a functional system, not read the >> handbook, and flood the forums and this mailing list with already >> answered and handbook questions. >> Daniel da Veiga >> >> > > I think the minute you start looking at Gentoo or the installation > process as a sort of 'proving ground' for advanced users, you lose > your objectivity in a discussion like this. The bottom line is that > if a user is willing, he will learn and prosper with Gentoo, installer > or no installer. > > > I wouldn't saying installing is a proving ground but it is a learning tool. I don't like the idea of a installer either. I have installed form a CD that had a installer and I always did it manually. It is faster and you only have to do it once. If you use a installer, you end up doing it again anyway. There will be something the installer set up that is not the way you want it to be and you have to change it. I have to say, of all the things the -devs have on their plate to deal with, a installer shouldn't be one of them. It's not like there is enough devs and some are just sitting around with nothing to do. I would guess that they wish they had more time to deal with what they currently have in front of them. My opinion, agree with it or not. Dale :-) :-)