[gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
This one for example:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html

?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Shawn Haggett]

On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:37:23 pm Grant wrote:
> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
> This one for example:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html
>
> ?
>
> - Grant

I couldn't see any videos on that page... although the one at:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/videos.obama/index.html

played just fine.

On:
Intel Core2 Duo (Running in 64-bit)
www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.4-r1
net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha

You can try starting firefox from the command line, then when it crashes you 
can see if it prints any helpful messages before dying.

Shawn

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[KH]

Shawn Haggett schrieb:
> On Thu, 22 Jan 2009 01:37:23 pm Grant wrote:
>   
>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>> This one for example:
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html
>>
>> ?
>>
>> - Grant
>>     
>
> I couldn't see any videos on that page... although the one at:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/videos.obama/index.html
>
> played just fine.
>
> On:
> Intel Core2 Duo (Running in 64-bit)
> www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.4-r1
> net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha
>
> You can try starting firefox from the command line, then when it crashes you 
> can see if it prints any helpful messages before dying.
>
> Shawn
>
>   
Same for me. No video found following the first link. Second link works
fine.
www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.5
net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha
Athlon 64 X2 3800+
Micro-ATX-Mainboard in einer OEM-Version von Asus mit Nvidias nForce4
(A8NE-FM/S).
PEG-Grafikkarte von Leadtek mit Nvidia GeForce 6600

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Stroller]

On 22 Jan 2009, at 03:07, Grant wrote:

> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
> This one for example:
>
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html

Oh, noes!

I am sorry to tell you that your computer is a redneck republican, and  
this is why it's crashing.

The only cure is to format the hard-drive.  :(

Stroller.

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>> This one for example:
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html
>
> Oh, noes!
>
> I am sorry to tell you that your computer is a redneck republican, and
> this is why it's crashing.
>
> The only cure is to format the hard-drive.  :(

While that is humorous, it doesn't make sense.  That's an Obama link.

Anyway, I'm getting this in the terminal:

$ firefox
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
[/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
Killed

and I'm re-emerging totem, xulrunner, and firefox to see if that fixes it.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Mark Knecht]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:19 AM, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>>> This one for example:
>>>
>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html
>>
>> Oh, noes!
>>
>> I am sorry to tell you that your computer is a redneck republican, and
>> this is why it's crashing.
>>
>> The only cure is to format the hard-drive.  :(
>
> While that is humorous, it doesn't make sense.  That's an Obama link.
>
> Anyway, I'm getting this in the terminal:
>
> $ firefox
> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
> /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
> [/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
> symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
> Killed
>
> and I'm re-emerging totem, xulrunner, and firefox to see if that fixes it.
>
> - Grant
>
>

Humm, Firefox isn't crashing for me, but I'm also not seeing a video
at this link. What am I supposed to play?

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Norberto Bensa]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Stroller
<stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:

> I am sorry to tell you that your computer is a redneck republican, and this
> is why it's crashing.

AH HA HAAA!!!!!... I was drinking coffee when I read your comment. I
just ruinned my LCD :(

BTW: The video plays fine here. OMG! Look at how many digital cams are
there! What are they going to do with all the mercury in those little
screens?

[gentoo-user] Re: cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Grant wrote:
> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
> This one for example:
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html

The videos play fine here.  I'm on AMD64, 
www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.5 and net-www/netscape-flash-10.0.21.1_alpha.

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>> This one for example:
>>
>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html
>
> Oh, noes!
>
> I am sorry to tell you that your computer is a redneck republican, and this
> is why it's crashing.

Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
that's funny.

- Grant

> The only cure is to format the hard-drive.  :(

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>>>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>>>> This one for example:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html
>>>
>>> Oh, noes!
>>>
>>> I am sorry to tell you that your computer is a redneck republican, and
>>> this is why it's crashing.
>>>
>>> The only cure is to format the hard-drive.  :(
>>
>> While that is humorous, it doesn't make sense.  That's an Obama link.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm getting this in the terminal:
>>
>> $ firefox
>> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
>> /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
>> [/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
>> symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
>> Killed
>>
>> and I'm re-emerging totem, xulrunner, and firefox to see if that fixes it.
>>
>> - Grant
>>
>>
>
> Humm, Firefox isn't crashing for me, but I'm also not seeing a video
> at this link. What am I supposed to play?
>
> - Mark

Sorry, I blew it with that link.  Any cnn.com video will work.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Mark Knecht]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>>>>> This one for example:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/20/white.house.website/index.html
>>>>
>>>> Oh, noes!
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry to tell you that your computer is a redneck republican, and
>>>> this is why it's crashing.
>>>>
>>>> The only cure is to format the hard-drive.  :(
>>>
>>> While that is humorous, it doesn't make sense.  That's an Obama link.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm getting this in the terminal:
>>>
>>> $ firefox
>>> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
>>> /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
>>> [/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
>>> symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
>>> Killed
>>>
>>> and I'm re-emerging totem, xulrunner, and firefox to see if that fixes it.
>>>
>>> - Grant
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Humm, Firefox isn't crashing for me, but I'm also not seeing a video
>> at this link. What am I supposed to play?
>>
>> - Mark
>
> Sorry, I blew it with that link.  Any cnn.com video will work.
>
> - Grant
>
>
OK, the videos play fine for me but I'm not getting any sound. I see
suspicious stuff in my terminal about sound though:

mark@lightning ~ $ firefox
which: no soundwrapper in
(/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.1.2:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/games/bin)
which: no soundwrapper in
(/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.1.2:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.03/jre/bin:/usr/kde/3.5/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/games/bin)
Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "gnomebreakpad":
libgnomebreakpad.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory
*** NSPlugin Viewer  *** WARNING: unhandled variable 17 in NPN_GetValue()
*** NSPlugin Viewer  *** WARNING: unhandled variable 17 in NPN_GetValue()

(npviewer.bin:7938): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_style_detach: assertion
`style->attach_count > 0' failed

That's probably fixable if I took the time to check USE flags, etc.

- Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Paul Hartman]

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?

Edit /etc/adobe/mms.cfg and set "WindowlessDisable = 1" and see if that helps.

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Norberto Bensa]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>
> Edit /etc/adobe/mms.cfg and set "WindowlessDisable = 1" and see if that helps.

+1

I was having the same problem now that I remember. The setting above fixed it.

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>
> Edit /etc/adobe/mms.cfg and set "WindowlessDisable = 1" and see if that helps.

Unfortunately that didn't fix it.  I researched my error:

$ firefox
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
[/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
Killed

and it sounds like it might have to do with having epiphany and
firefox installed so I removed epiphany and re-emerged firefox,
xulrunner, and totem with the same result.  Do you guys have xulrunner
enabled for firefox?  I removed it and tried to re-emerge firefox but
I got:

 * Detected file collision(s):
 *
 * 	/usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
 * 	/usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
 *
 * Searching all installed packages for file collisions...
 *
 * Press Ctrl-C to Stop
 *
 * net-libs/xulrunner-1.9.0.5
 * 	/usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
 * 	/usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
 *
 * Package 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.5' NOT merged due to file
 * collisions. If necessary, refer to your elog messages for the whole
 * content of the above message.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>>
>> Edit /etc/adobe/mms.cfg and set "WindowlessDisable = 1" and see if that helps.
>
> Unfortunately that didn't fix it.  I researched my error:
>
> $ firefox
> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
> /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
> [/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
> symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
> Killed
>
> and it sounds like it might have to do with having epiphany and
> firefox installed so I removed epiphany and re-emerged firefox,
> xulrunner, and totem with the same result.  Do you guys have xulrunner
> enabled for firefox?  I removed it and tried to re-emerge firefox but
> I got:
>
>  * Detected file collision(s):
>  *
>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
>  *
>  * Searching all installed packages for file collisions...
>  *
>  * Press Ctrl-C to Stop
>  *
>  * net-libs/xulrunner-1.9.0.5
>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
>  *
>  * Package 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.5' NOT merged due to file
>  * collisions. If necessary, refer to your elog messages for the whole
>  * content of the above message.
>
> - Grant

I'm getting a very similar error with mozilla-firefox -xulrunner:

$ firefox
LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
[/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
/usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 21696 Killed
            "$prog" ${1+"$@"}

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>>
>> Edit /etc/adobe/mms.cfg and set "WindowlessDisable = 1" and see if that helps.
>
> Unfortunately that didn't fix it.  I researched my error:
>
> $ firefox
> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
> /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
> [/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
> symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
> Killed
>
> and it sounds like it might have to do with having epiphany and
> firefox installed so I removed epiphany and re-emerged firefox,
> xulrunner, and totem with the same result.  Do you guys have xulrunner
> enabled for firefox?  I removed it and tried to re-emerge firefox but
> I got:
>
>  * Detected file collision(s):
>  *
>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
>  *
>  * Searching all installed packages for file collisions...
>  *
>  * Press Ctrl-C to Stop
>  *
>  * net-libs/xulrunner-1.9.0.5
>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
>  *
>  * Package 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.5' NOT merged due to file
>  * collisions. If necessary, refer to your elog messages for the whole
>  * content of the above message.

I use xulrunner, don't have epiphany. Here are my firefox USE flags:

www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.5  USE="dbus ipv6 java mozdevelop
startup-notification xulrunner -bindist -custom-optimization -gnome
-iceweasel -restrict-javascript"

And in fact I don't have any totem stuff at all.
libtotem-complex-plugin.so may be completely unrelated to your flash
problems.

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>>>> Do cnn.com videos *not* crash for anyone with the latest Firefox?
>>>
>>> Edit /etc/adobe/mms.cfg and set "WindowlessDisable = 1" and see if that helps.
>>
>> Unfortunately that didn't fix it.  I researched my error:
>>
>> $ firefox
>> LoadPlugin: failed to initialize shared library
>> /usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
>> [/usr/lib64/nsbrowser/plugins/libtotem-complex-plugin.so: undefined
>> symbol: _ZN13nsTArray_base9sEmptyHdrE]
>> Killed
>>
>> and it sounds like it might have to do with having epiphany and
>> firefox installed so I removed epiphany and re-emerged firefox,
>> xulrunner, and totem with the same result.  Do you guys have xulrunner
>> enabled for firefox?  I removed it and tried to re-emerge firefox but
>> I got:
>>
>>  * Detected file collision(s):
>>  *
>>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
>>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
>>  *
>>  * Searching all installed packages for file collisions...
>>  *
>>  * Press Ctrl-C to Stop
>>  *
>>  * net-libs/xulrunner-1.9.0.5
>>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/platform.js
>>  *      /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/defaults/autoconfig/prefcalls.js
>>  *
>>  * Package 'www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.5' NOT merged due to file
>>  * collisions. If necessary, refer to your elog messages for the whole
>>  * content of the above message.
>
> I use xulrunner, don't have epiphany. Here are my firefox USE flags:
>
> www-client/mozilla-firefox-3.0.5  USE="dbus ipv6 java mozdevelop
> startup-notification xulrunner -bindist -custom-optimization -gnome
> -iceweasel -restrict-javascript"
>
> And in fact I don't have any totem stuff at all.
> libtotem-complex-plugin.so may be completely unrelated to your flash
> problems.

This was a hardened issue.  I just needed to issue 'paxctl -m
/usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/firefox'.  Thanks again.

- Grant

[gentoo-user] Re: cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Nikos Chantziaras]

Grant wrote:
> This was a hardened issue.  I just needed to issue 'paxctl -m
> /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/firefox'.  Thanks again.

And you didn't deem it necessary to actually mention in your post that 
you're on hardened?

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>> This was a hardened issue.  I just needed to issue 'paxctl -m
>> /usr/lib64/mozilla-firefox/firefox'.  Thanks again.
>
> And you didn't deem it necessary to actually mention in your post that
> you're on hardened?

Mistakenly....  The error I was getting didn't sound like hardened to
me.  I'll be smarter next time.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
> that's funny.

Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
China into war against Russia) ?

;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>> that's funny.
>
> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
> China into war against Russia) ?

What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
election campaign?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Stroller]

On 31 Jan 2009, at 22:54, Grant wrote:

>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.   
>>> Yes
>>> that's funny.
>>
>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>> China into war against Russia) ?
>
> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
> election campaign?

IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>> that's funny.
>>>
>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>
>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>> election campaign?
>
> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>
> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!

Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Stroller]

On 31 Jan 2009, at 23:34, Grant wrote:

>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama  
>>>>> video.  Yes
>>>>> that's funny.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein  
>>>> Obama ?
>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>>
>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>>> election campaign?
>>
>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>>
>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>
> Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?


Al Jazeera:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=M8J9laUNgL4

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Dale]

Grant wrote:
>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>> that's funny.
>>>>>           
>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>>>         
>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>>> election campaign?
>>>       
>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>>
>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>>     
>
> Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?
>
> - Grant
>
>
>   

http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>>> that's funny.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>>>>
>>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>>>> election campaign?
>>>>
>>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>>>
>>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>>>
>>
>> Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?
>>
>> - Grant
>>
>>
>>
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.

Seriously?

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Dale]

Grant wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>>>> that's funny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>>>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>>>>> election campaign?
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>>>>
>>>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?
>>>
>>> - Grant
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.
>>     
>
> Seriously?
>
> - Grant
>
>
>   

Yep, I have watched them all and at least they do have both sides and
their web site is pretty good.  My brother doesn't have cable and that's
where he gets his news.  CNN, CBS and especially NBC seem to tell what
they think and just hope people don't know any better. 

I like to have the facts and then make up my on mind.  The day I want
CNN, NBC or anyone else to make my decisions is the day I died.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>>>>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>>>>> that's funny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>>>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>>>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>>>>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>>>>>> election campaign?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?
>>>>
>>>> - Grant
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.
>>>
>>
>> Seriously?
>>
>> - Grant
>>
>>
>>
>
> Yep, I have watched them all and at least they do have both sides and
> their web site is pretty good.  My brother doesn't have cable and that's
> where he gets his news.  CNN, CBS and especially NBC seem to tell what
> they think and just hope people don't know any better.
>
> I like to have the facts and then make up my on mind.  The day I want
> CNN, NBC or anyone else to make my decisions is the day I died.
>
> Dale

I've noticed the same thing with CNN and NBC.  I like ABC and Yahoo
also seems to be pretty good.  Fox rubs me the wrong way, but I should
take another look.  I need to look into Al Jazeera too.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?
> >
> > - Grant
> >
> >
> >   
> 
> http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.

*rofl*

Joke of the day ;-o


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[Enrico Weigelt]

* Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?

http://www.breakthematrix.com/
http://www.infowars.com/


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Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:

> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
> election campaign?

A log. Everything that's censored in the mass media.


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Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Dale]

Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>>> Can you recommend a non-biased news source online?
>>>
>>> - Grant
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.
>>     
>
> *rofl*
>
> Joke of the day ;-o
>
>
> cu
>   

Nope, not a joke at all.  Thinking CNN is fair and balanced would be
tho.  Saying that about NBC would make me laugh so hard I would turn
blue and die.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Sebastian Günther]

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* Stroller (stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk) [01.02.09 00:23]:
>
> On 31 Jan 2009, at 22:54, Grant wrote:
>
>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>> that's funny.
>>>
>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>
>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>> election campaign?
>
> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>
> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>
>

Just a honest question from Germany:

Which ones are the liberal medias overseas?

Since from here I wouldn't call anything I know liberal, let alone 
anything progressive...

Sebastian

-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Dale]

Sebastian Günther wrote:
> * Stroller (stroller@stellar.eclipse.co.uk) [01.02.09 00:23]:
>   
>> On 31 Jan 2009, at 22:54, Grant wrote:
>>
>>     
>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>> that's funny.
>>>>>           
>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>>>         
>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>>> election campaign?
>>>       
>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>>
>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>>
>>
>>     
>
> Just a honest question from Germany:
>
> Which ones are the liberal medias overseas?
>
> Since from here I wouldn't call anything I know liberal, let alone 
> anything progressive...
>
> Sebastian
>
>   

If you mean liberal in the USA, NBC being the most, then CNN, CBS and
ABC.  CNN and CBS are about the same and ABC is somewhat better. 
According to some media research folks, BBC is left leaning as well.  I
have watched it a few times and saw no reason to disagree. 

The hard part is finding a source for the facts so a person can make
their own decisions.  For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had
then along came Fox.  The old media seemed to think the people are all
stupid and needed someone to make decisions for them instead of
realizing that most Americans are smart enough to do their own
thinking.  Of course, that is also why Fox has more viewers than CNN, 
MSNBC and the rest combined. 

Hope that answered your question.

Dale

:-)  :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>>> that's funny.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>>>>
>>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>>>> election campaign?
>>>>
>>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>>>
>>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Just a honest question from Germany:
>>
>> Which ones are the liberal medias overseas?
>>
>> Since from here I wouldn't call anything I know liberal, let alone
>> anything progressive...
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>
> If you mean liberal in the USA, NBC being the most, then CNN, CBS and
> ABC.  CNN and CBS are about the same and ABC is somewhat better.
> According to some media research folks, BBC is left leaning as well.  I
> have watched it a few times and saw no reason to disagree.
>
> The hard part is finding a source for the facts so a person can make
> their own decisions.  For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had
> then along came Fox.  The old media seemed to think the people are all
> stupid and needed someone to make decisions for them instead of
> realizing that most Americans are smart enough to do their own
> thinking.  Of course, that is also why Fox has more viewers than CNN,
> MSNBC and the rest combined.
>
> Hope that answered your question.

I don't think we should pretend that our own views don't scew our
perception of not only what is true, but also what is fair and
balanced.  I'm a liberal fellow and although NBC and CNN do seem
liberal to me, I still perceive them to be a good source of news
facts.  ABC seems only very slightly to the left, and Fox seems so far
to the right it's ridiculous.  These aren't evaluations of truthiness,
but of fairness.  Dale obviously disagrees.  The point is that no one
is actually a good judge of truth *or* fairness.

As for why Fox has "more" (let's say the same number of) viewers as
the rest of the networks, I think you stated the reason exactly:

"For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had then along came Fox."

Conservative folks don't have any other choice, and the US seems to be
pretty split in half as far as Democrats/Republicans if elections
results are any indication.

- Grant

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[Dale]

Grant wrote:
>>>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>>>> that's funny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p
>>>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ?
>>>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get
>>>>>> China into war against Russia) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>>>>> election campaign?
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!!
>>>>
>>>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Just a honest question from Germany:
>>>
>>> Which ones are the liberal medias overseas?
>>>
>>> Since from here I wouldn't call anything I know liberal, let alone
>>> anything progressive...
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> If you mean liberal in the USA, NBC being the most, then CNN, CBS and
>> ABC.  CNN and CBS are about the same and ABC is somewhat better.
>> According to some media research folks, BBC is left leaning as well.  I
>> have watched it a few times and saw no reason to disagree.
>>
>> The hard part is finding a source for the facts so a person can make
>> their own decisions.  For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had
>> then along came Fox.  The old media seemed to think the people are all
>> stupid and needed someone to make decisions for them instead of
>> realizing that most Americans are smart enough to do their own
>> thinking.  Of course, that is also why Fox has more viewers than CNN,
>> MSNBC and the rest combined.
>>
>> Hope that answered your question.
>>     
>
> I don't think we should pretend that our own views don't scew our
> perception of not only what is true, but also what is fair and
> balanced.  I'm a liberal fellow and although NBC and CNN do seem
> liberal to me, I still perceive them to be a good source of news
> facts.  ABC seems only very slightly to the left, and Fox seems so far
> to the right it's ridiculous.  These aren't evaluations of truthiness,
> but of fairness.  Dale obviously disagrees.  The point is that no one
> is actually a good judge of truth *or* fairness.
>
> As for why Fox has "more" (let's say the same number of) viewers as
> the rest of the networks, I think you stated the reason exactly:
>
> "For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had then along came Fox."
>
> Conservative folks don't have any other choice, and the US seems to be
> pretty split in half as far as Democrats/Republicans if elections
> results are any indication.
>
> - Grant
>
>
>   

 A lot of what you said is dead on.  I do have to add that there are
independent organizations that analyze the broadcasts of CNN, Fox and
others and then report who is leaning where.  [1]  That is where I got
my information.  I didn't just make it up.  Repeatedly over the years
Fox told both sides of the story and not just one side.  They also look
at WHAT is being reported.  Let's say Obama makes a screw up, Fox will
talk about it but most likely NBC won't even mention it since they were
in the tank for him and supported him during the election.  

Also, Fox is not conservative.  It's just that CNN and others are so far
to the left that Fox looks like it is right.  I see both Dems and Reps
on Fox but whenever I see CNN, they mostly tell one side, the side they
support.  I want both sides so I can make up my own mind.  I'm doing
that with the bail out plan they are talking about now.  Yes, I still
call it a bail out but it looks more like social engineering to me. 

My point is this, I watched CNN for years with really no other source
for news.  Then comes the internet and Fox news.  Now I see that my "gut
feeling" was right.  They were not reporting the news but trying to tell
me what to think.  That is a serious turn off.  I'm divorced because I
got lied to.  That was the root cause of that.  CNN and friends is about
like my ex.  They both lied and I don't deal with either of them. 
Honest mistakes are one thing but trying to tell people something that
is not accurate is not.  I'm one of those you screw up once and I'm done. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

[1]  http://www.mediaresearch.org/  That is just one that I could
remember off the top of my head. 

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Mark Knecht]

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> Grant wrote:
>>>>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>>>>> that's funny.

Seriously folks. This conversation is WAY off topic. Could those
interested in this topic please find another venue - even a PRIVATE
conversation - before this errupts into some sort of flame fest. I'm
certianly not subscribed to this list for this sort of info.

I have my opinions on the current (non-original) subject but I'll keep
them to myself.

With best regards,
Mark

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>>>>>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video.  Yes
>>>>>>>>> that's funny.
>
> Seriously folks. This conversation is WAY off topic. Could those
> interested in this topic please find another venue - even a PRIVATE
> conversation - before this errupts into some sort of flame fest. I'm
> certianly not subscribed to this list for this sort of info.
>
> I have my opinions on the current (non-original) subject but I'll keep
> them to myself.
>
> With best regards,
> Mark

Thanks for tolerating us this long, and I think it's a testament to
our distro that not a single flame erupted over such a flamable topic.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Grant]

>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long
>> election campaign?
>
> A log. Everything that's censored in the mass media.

I'm still very interested in suggestions on uncensored media.  I
watched one episode of Global Pulse by Link TV, this one (although
they seem to be down ATM):

http://www.linktv.org/video/3552

They talk about how the different major media organizations report the
Russia/Ukraine gas pipeline issue differently, and they roll through
clips of each organization's broadcast to show how they each approach
it from different angles.  Very professionally done.

- Grant

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.
> >>     
> >
> > *rofl*
> >
> > Joke of the day ;-o
> 
> Nope, not a joke at all.  Thinking CNN is fair and balanced would be
> tho.  Saying that about NBC would make me laugh so hard I would turn
> blue and die.

You actually believe that crap ?!
Fox is one of those major forces who heavily agitate against the 
911-truth movement, denunciate them as "anarchists" or criminals
(eg. Geraldo w/ his whitepower twillings) and conditions people
to accept NWO.

Wake up, switch off that megacorp propaganda tube and research
*youself* instead of consuming their brainfuck.

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Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm still very interested in suggestions on uncensored media. 

Break-the-Matrix, Genesis communication network, ...

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Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Dale]

Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> * Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>>>> http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> *rofl*
>>>
>>> Joke of the day ;-o
>>>       
>> Nope, not a joke at all.  Thinking CNN is fair and balanced would be
>> tho.  Saying that about NBC would make me laugh so hard I would turn
>> blue and die.
>>     
>
> You actually believe that crap ?!
> Fox is one of those major forces who heavily agitate against the 
> 911-truth movement, denunciate them as "anarchists" or criminals
> (eg. Geraldo w/ his whitepower twillings) and conditions people
> to accept NWO.
>
> Wake up, switch off that megacorp propaganda tube and research
> *youself* instead of consuming their brainfuck.
>
> cu
>   

I would say, look in the mirror. What is your "propaganda" is the truth.
I feel the same way about CNN that you feel about Fox. I wouldn't even
consider anything CNN says unless I saw it myself. Fox at least shows
both points of view instead of just one side like CNN and their bed
buddies.

You may also want to consider the ratings of Fox compared to CNN. Fox
passed CNN ages ago. Hardly anyone watches CNN over here anymore. Just
today it was reported that Oreilly was third in ALL the ratings. Not
just news but all the channels. The first two was TNT and the USA
network. They do sometimes have good new shows there to watch.

Have a nice day. :-)

Dale

:-) :-)

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> Repeatedly over the years Fox told both sides of the story and 
> not just one side. 

Yeah, two artificially created sides, just like Shakespearean Theatre ;-o

Did they ever do really objective reports about topics like the numerous 
false flag attacks (eg. USS liberty attack or Gulf of Tonkin incident),
the Jeckyll Island coup, the official 911 conspiracy of Alibaba and his
40 bandits, FEMA detaination camps, illegal income tax, Obama's connections
to the war-creator Brezinski and terrorists like Bill Ayers, etc, etc ?

> They also look
> at WHAT is being reported.  Let's say Obama makes a screw up, Fox will
> talk about it but most likely NBC won't even mention it since they were
> in the tank for him and supported him during the election.  

Of course. That's good old good-cop-bad-cop-game. 
Part of that is the illusion of these "two parties", which are in fact
just one (that pillow fight in the media is just for distraction)


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[Enrico Weigelt]

* Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would say, look in the mirror. What is your "propaganda" is the truth.
> I feel the same way about CNN that you feel about Fox. I wouldn't even
> consider anything CNN says unless I saw it myself. Fox at least shows
> both points of view instead of just one side like CNN and their bed
> buddies.

Just to make it clear: I'm not a friend of CNN. 
I dont trust media with strange foreknowledge of "accidents" ... ;-o)

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[Mike Kazantsev]

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:21:17 +0100
Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:

> * Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > >> http://www.foxnews.com/  Fair and Balanced.
> > >>     
> > >
> > > *rofl*
> > >
> > > Joke of the day ;-o
> > 
> > Nope, not a joke at all.  Thinking CNN is fair and balanced would be
> > tho.  Saying that about NBC would make me laugh so hard I would turn
> > blue and die.
> 
> You actually believe that crap ?!
> Fox is one of those major forces who heavily agitate against the 
> 911-truth movement, denunciate them as "anarchists" or criminals
> (eg. Geraldo w/ his whitepower twillings) and conditions people
> to accept NWO.
> 
> Wake up, switch off that megacorp propaganda tube and research
> *youself* instead of consuming their brainfuck.
> 
> cu

I don't think anyone subscribes to "gentoo-users" list just to read
more of this nonsense, I certainly didn't, so what's the whole point of
this "discussion" here?

Prehaps you should go and tell all this stuff to people who actually
care, like some "political-flame-wars" mailing list, yell it on the
streets, or something ;)


-- 
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[Dale]

Mike Kazantsev wrote:
>
> I don't think anyone subscribes to "gentoo-users" list just to read
> more of this nonsense, I certainly didn't, so what's the whole point of
> this "discussion" here?
>
> Prehaps you should go and tell all this stuff to people who actually
> care, like some "political-flame-wars" mailing list, yell it on the
> streets, or something ;)
>
>   


Agreed !  I thought this thread was dead a while back.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:

> According to some media research folks, BBC is left leaning as well. 

"left" (whatever that really means) != liberal.
bbc != liberal.
bbc != serious.

> The hard part is finding a source for the facts so a person can make
> their own decisions.  For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had
> then along came Fox.  The old media seemed to think the people are all
> stupid and needed someone to make decisions for them instead of
> realizing that most Americans are smart enough to do their own
> thinking.  Of course, that is also why Fox has more viewers than CNN, 
> MSNBC and the rest combined. 

Wait a moment - you imply that Fox doesn't treat his viewers stupid.
But: WTH do they hire guys like Geraldo Rivera ?


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[KH]

Enrico Weigelt schrieb:
> * Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> According to some media research folks, BBC is left leaning as well. 
>>     
>
> "left" (whatever that really means) != liberal.
> bbc != liberal.
> bbc != serious.
>
>   
>> The hard part is finding a source for the facts so a person can make
>> their own decisions.  For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had
>> then along came Fox.  The old media seemed to think the people are all
>> stupid and needed someone to make decisions for them instead of
>> realizing that most Americans are smart enough to do their own
>> thinking.  Of course, that is also why Fox has more viewers than CNN, 
>> MSNBC and the rest combined. 
>>     
>
> Wait a moment - you imply that Fox doesn't treat his viewers stupid.
> But: WTH do they hire guys like Geraldo Rivera ?
>
>
> cu
>   

Let's follow the idea of Mike Kazantsev and Dale and quit this discussion.

kh

Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 11:32:05 +0100, Enrico Weigelt wrote:

> > According to some media research folks, BBC is left leaning as
> > well.   
> 
> "left" (whatever that really means) != liberal.

If you're going to drag up an old thread and reply to several mails in
it, please read the whole thread first, especially the mails about how
off-topic and unwelcome this is.


-- 
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A. It's not hard.

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