Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Dan Cowsill]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Andrei Hanganu
<ahanganu@bitdefender.com> wrote:
> helo group,
>
> i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice ide
> for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs +
> different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ... every
> single one of them has at least one drawback.
>
> In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
> - syntax highlighting
> - autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
> structures/classes )
> - concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
> - tabs or buffer list
> - file browser
> - project manager
> - symbol list/browser current editing buffer
> - regex search/replace
> - flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile
> - code folding (with detection of blocks)
> - lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by the
> bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for example)
>
> i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +
>
> does anyone know the answer to this ultimate question? I keep comparing
> different editors with the microsoft's visual studio, that is not by far
> as powerful as emacs but it just plain and simple does the job. They
> will reach a milestone when the brackets matching will actually work,
> but despite small inconveniences, i find it to be very close to what i
> am looking for.
> kdevelop also seemed very close to what i wanted, but somehow the fonts
> or the dpi make it very "crowded", i get very little space for the code.
> On the other hand netbeans is a good example of how the interface should
> be arranged, but java driven ide tends to stop being able to respond in
>  tolerable time.
>
> i am on the edge of despair, and i am willing to try even a commercial
> solution.
> Anyone had some very positive experience with a specific ide?
>
> thanks,
> Andrei
>
>

The problem is you've named pretty much every IDE in use by software
developers today, with the possible exception of Visual Studio which
is probably not applicable anyways.

Now don't take this the wrong way, because I'm not at all trying to be
condescending, but have you considered contributing your coding talent
to Eclipse or CodeBlocks to make those products better suit your
needs?  Your problem is one faced by developers every day, but it
seems like you're still thinking in a closed frame of mind.  If you
don't like it, change it!

Cheers,
D

[gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Andrei Hanganu]

helo group,

i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice ide
for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs +
different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ... every
single one of them has at least one drawback.

In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
- syntax highlighting
- autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
structures/classes )
- concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
- tabs or buffer list
- file browser
- project manager
- symbol list/browser current editing buffer
- regex search/replace
- flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile
- code folding (with detection of blocks)
- lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by the
bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for example)

i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +

does anyone know the answer to this ultimate question? I keep comparing
different editors with the microsoft's visual studio, that is not by far
as powerful as emacs but it just plain and simple does the job. They
will reach a milestone when the brackets matching will actually work,
but despite small inconveniences, i find it to be very close to what i
am looking for.
kdevelop also seemed very close to what i wanted, but somehow the fonts
or the dpi make it very "crowded", i get very little space for the code.
On the other hand netbeans is a good example of how the interface should
be arranged, but java driven ide tends to stop being able to respond in
 tolerable time.

i am on the edge of despair, and i am willing to try even a commercial
solution.
Anyone had some very positive experience with a specific ide?

thanks,
Andrei

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Andrei Hanganu]

you are perfectly right, but as a wise man said: don't reinvent the
wheel,that's why i'm asking this group 1st. I'm positive i'm not the
first person to meet these issues and if it just happened that i missed
   a great editor out there i hope other people might hold the answer
for this one.
If all fails, i will have no other way then to build the ide i dream
about, but even for writing an ide, i would still appreciate to have the
best editor out there for writing it, at least until a first release. :)

i promise that if i found no answer, the next thread will be "features
of the perfect IDE"

A.

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Hung Dang]

Andrei Hanganu wrote:
> helo group,
>
> i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice ide
> for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs +
> different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ... every
> single one of them has at least one drawback.
>
> In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
> - syntax highlighting
> - autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
> structures/classes )
> - concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
> - tabs or buffer list
> - file browser
> - project manager
> - symbol list/browser current editing buffer
> - regex search/replace
> - flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile
> - code folding (with detection of blocks)
> - lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by the
> bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for example)
>
> i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +
>
> does anyone know the answer to this ultimate question? I keep comparing
> different editors with the microsoft's visual studio, that is not by far
> as powerful as emacs but it just plain and simple does the job. They
> will reach a milestone when the brackets matching will actually work,
> but despite small inconveniences, i find it to be very close to what i
> am looking for.
> kdevelop also seemed very close to what i wanted, but somehow the fonts
> or the dpi make it very "crowded", i get very little space for the code.
> On the other hand netbeans is a good example of how the interface should
> be arranged, but java driven ide tends to stop being able to respond in
>  tolerable time.
>
> i am on the edge of despair, and i am willing to try even a commercial
> solution.
> Anyone had some very positive experience with a specific ide?
>
> thanks,
> Andrei
>
>   
I have a similar question long time ago. Finally, I found that Eclipse
with extension for C/C++ is a reasonable solution.

Hung

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Dirk Uys]

I have been searching for an open source c++ IDE for some time now. I
have not yet found a single IDE that is a perfect fit.

When you develop something small, an editor like vim/kate/emacs can be
sufficient, but when you work with larger projects created by other
people, things become a litte awkward (or at least for me). ctag can
help. Using doxygen to generate browsable code can also help a great
deal. Create a config file to generate all documentation even for
uncommented code and that includes the source in the generated
documentation.

Monodevelop has a c++ component in the IDE, but for some reason
(mono,novell,microsoft deals) I have lost interest in it. My criticism
may not be valid though, it is political.

I would suggest looking at CMake. You can use CMake scripts to
configure the build for a project independant of an IDE. CMake can
also generate project files for Eclipse CDT, KDevelop and some other
very popular c++ IDE that will not be mentioned here.

KDevelop is undergoing a complete rewrite. Looks like something
commond to projects with a name starting with "K". It may take some
time, but when finished it may be worthwhile?

Eclipse is not that bad. Make sure that you get a version of Eclipse
without any java plugins installed, they normally add a bunch of
useless stuff.

Creating an IDE is no small task. If you would like to dedecate some
time, have a look at the current efforts going into kdevelop.

I have heard of people that mainly target linux using the IDE which
name will not be mentioned. Guess that's an indication that there is a
need for a better open source linux IDE.

A good step may be to ask the guys on the KDE lists (or some other big
project) what IDE they are using? But, you may get a lot of frowns and
the answer of emacs/vim.

Regards
Dirk

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Paul Hartman]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Andrei Hanganu
<ahanganu@bitdefender.com> wrote:
>
> you are perfectly right, but as a wise man said: don't reinvent the
> wheel,that's why i'm asking this group 1st. I'm positive i'm not the
> first person to meet these issues and if it just happened that i missed
>   a great editor out there i hope other people might hold the answer
> for this one.
> If all fails, i will have no other way then to build the ide i dream
> about, but even for writing an ide, i would still appreciate to have the
> best editor out there for writing it, at least until a first release. :)
>
> i promise that if i found no answer, the next thread will be "features
> of the perfect IDE"
>
> A.

I've never used it, but doesn't Qt integrate into Visual Studio and
claim the ability to compile Qt code for windows/mac/linux without
changes to the source? (I'm sure it's not as simple as they make it
sound).

Of course if you're not using Qt then that probably isn't something
you'd want to consider. :)

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Andreas Niederl]

Hi,

Andrei Hanganu wrote:
> helo group,
> 
> i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice ide
> for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs +
> different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ... every
> single one of them has at least one drawback.

I'm thinking the more I get to know Vim and the available plugins, the
more it becomes like an IDE to me. I guess the same is true for Emacs.

My advice would be to take on of those or any other open IDE and learn
and extend them to the point that it's perfect for you.


Now for your feature requirements list I'm going to concentrate on Vim
and Emacs as those two are the ones I know.


> In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
> - syntax highlighting
> - concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
> - tabs or buffer list
> - file browser
> - regex search/replace

Both Vim and Emacs can do these basic features.
Vim even provides a mechanism for saving and restoring editing sessions.


> - autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
> structures/classes )

Haven't tried it yet, but for Vim word_complete.vim[1] seems to be what
you're looking for. You should also have a look at Omnicompletion.

As Emacs has hooks for nearly everything it should be doable with it as
well.


> - project manager

Don't know about that but it would be nice to have simpler project
specific settings for Emacs/Vim.


> - symbol list/browser current editing buffer

That's pretty much ctags/etags, maybe cscope.


> - flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile

You can put the following in ~/.vimrc:
autocmd BufEnter ~/path/to/project/* set makeprg=scons


> - code folding (with detection of blocks)

Vim does it[2]; Emacs seems to have some kind of FoldingMode according
to Google.


> - lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by the
> bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for example)

Both of them are very customisable in this regard.


> 
> i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +

Emacs features gdb integration and there's Clewn[3] for GVim.
As for me, I'm rather using a separate screen[4] window in the same session.



Regards,
Andi

[1] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=73
[2] http://www.linux.com/articles/114138
[3] http://clewn.sourceforge.net/
[4] http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[David Relson]

On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:05:08 +0000
Andrei Hanganu wrote:

> helo group,
> 
> i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice
> ide for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs
> + different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ...
> every single one of them has at least one drawback.
> 
> In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
> - syntax highlighting
> - autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
> structures/classes )
> - concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
> - tabs or buffer list
> - file browser
> - project manager
> - symbol list/browser current editing buffer
> - regex search/replace
> - flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile
> - code folding (with detection of blocks)
> - lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by
> the bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for
> example)
> 
> i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +
> 
> does anyone know the answer to this ultimate question? I keep
> comparing different editors with the microsoft's visual studio, that
> is not by far as powerful as emacs but it just plain and simple does
> the job. They will reach a milestone when the brackets matching will
> actually work, but despite small inconveniences, i find it to be very
> close to what i am looking for.
> kdevelop also seemed very close to what i wanted, but somehow the
> fonts or the dpi make it very "crowded", i get very little space for
> the code. On the other hand netbeans is a good example of how the
> interface should be arranged, but java driven ide tends to stop being
> able to respond in tolerable time.
> 
> i am on the edge of despair, and i am willing to try even a commercial
> solution.
> Anyone had some very positive experience with a specific ide?
> 
> thanks,
> Andrei

I've heard some good things about komodo, though it's not open
source and I've not used it.

David

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Sebastián Magrí]

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El mar, 17-02-2009 a las 20:51 -0500, David Relson escribió:
> On Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:05:08 +0000
> Andrei Hanganu wrote:
> 
> > helo group,
> > 
> > i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice
> > ide for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs
> > + different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ...
> > every single one of them has at least one drawback.
> > 
> > In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
> > - syntax highlighting
> > - autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
> > structures/classes )
> > - concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
> > - tabs or buffer list
> > - file browser
> > - project manager
> > - symbol list/browser current editing buffer
> > - regex search/replace
> > - flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile
> > - code folding (with detection of blocks)
> > - lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by
> > the bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for
> > example)
> > 
> > i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +
> > 
> > does anyone know the answer to this ultimate question? I keep
> > comparing different editors with the microsoft's visual studio, that
> > is not by far as powerful as emacs but it just plain and simple does
> > the job. They will reach a milestone when the brackets matching will
> > actually work, but despite small inconveniences, i find it to be very
> > close to what i am looking for.
> > kdevelop also seemed very close to what i wanted, but somehow the
> > fonts or the dpi make it very "crowded", i get very little space for
> > the code. On the other hand netbeans is a good example of how the
> > interface should be arranged, but java driven ide tends to stop being
> > able to respond in tolerable time.
> > 
> > i am on the edge of despair, and i am willing to try even a commercial
> > solution.
> > Anyone had some very positive experience with a specific ide?
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Andrei
> 
> I've heard some good things about komodo, though it's not open
> source and I've not used it.
> 
> David
> 

There is also Openkomodo, its name says what it is.. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Andrei Hanganu]

Andreas Niederl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Andrei Hanganu wrote:
>> helo group,
>>
>> i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice ide
>> for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs +
>> different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ... every
>> single one of them has at least one drawback.
> 
> I'm thinking the more I get to know Vim and the available plugins, the
> more it becomes like an IDE to me. I guess the same is true for Emacs.
> 
> My advice would be to take on of those or any other open IDE and learn
> and extend them to the point that it's perfect for you.
> 
> 
> Now for your feature requirements list I'm going to concentrate on Vim
> and Emacs as those two are the ones I know.
> 
> 
>> In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
>> - syntax highlighting
>> - concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
>> - tabs or buffer list
>> - file browser
>> - regex search/replace
> 
> Both Vim and Emacs can do these basic features.
> Vim even provides a mechanism for saving and restoring editing sessions.
> 
> 
>> - autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
>> structures/classes )
> 
> Haven't tried it yet, but for Vim word_complete.vim[1] seems to be what
> you're looking for. You should also have a look at Omnicompletion.
> 
> As Emacs has hooks for nearly everything it should be doable with it as
> well.
> 
> 
>> - project manager
> 
> Don't know about that but it would be nice to have simpler project
> specific settings for Emacs/Vim.
> 
> 
>> - symbol list/browser current editing buffer
> 
> That's pretty much ctags/etags, maybe cscope.
> 
> 
>> - flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile
> 
> You can put the following in ~/.vimrc:
> autocmd BufEnter ~/path/to/project/* set makeprg=scons
> 
> 
>> - code folding (with detection of blocks)
> 
> Vim does it[2]; Emacs seems to have some kind of FoldingMode according
> to Google.
> 
> 
>> - lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by the
>> bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for example)
> 
> Both of them are very customisable in this regard.
> 
> 
>> i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +
> 
> Emacs features gdb integration and there's Clewn[3] for GVim.
> As for me, I'm rather using a separate screen[4] window in the same session.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Andi
> 
> [1] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=73
> [2] http://www.linux.com/articles/114138
> [3] http://clewn.sourceforge.net/
> [4] http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/
> 
> 
hello,

your suggestions are perfectly valid, but both vim and emacs suffer from
the same problem: inconsistency. A very varying group of people writes
these plugins, and if i could get 5 plugins to work correctly i would
reach what i am looking for. Unfortunately, one breaks down other two,
or vice versa. In emacs, which i think i've given the most time, i'm
using right now some panels that bring me the bufferlist, and a
filesystem browser, but they screw up the splitting of windows when the
bottom panel is displayed and the editor word wrap stops working when
browser is displayed. That's just a small description of the general
feeling, these plugins are great, but they usually work great when used
alone, or just one major plugin enabled.

i've checked out open/komodo, the main issue is that it is an ide
designed for web developing, not c compilation as far as i could see.

right now, codeblocks seems to be most functional, and i know they are
working on making split windows function better. I've also switched on
kde4 and latest kate (implies also new kdevelop) has a very interesting
functionality "vim like input mode", which seems rather unnatural at
first, but i think it has a lot of potential. I've given some time to
yziss too, but as far as i can see the project has been paused. I like
very much the ideea of an IDE on top of a native VIM editor, and i'm
considering expanding gvim.

regards,
A.

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Geralt]

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Andreas Niederl <rico32@gmx.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Andrei Hanganu wrote:
>> helo group,
>>
>> i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice ide
>> for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs +
>> different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ... every
>> single one of them has at least one drawback.
>
> I'm thinking the more I get to know Vim and the available plugins, the
> more it becomes like an IDE to me. I guess the same is true for Emacs.
>
> My advice would be to take on of those or any other open IDE and learn
> and extend them to the point that it's perfect for you.
>
>
I can only give the same advice. I'm mainly an Emacs user, so I think
I can fill in the parts you've missed below :-)
Oh and (to everybody) Emacs is one thing especially: customizable. You
have to work a bit with Emacs to really understand this (because most
editors/programs are customizable these days). But enough advertising
;-)

>> In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
>> - syntax highlighting
>> - concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
>> - tabs or buffer list
>> - file browser
>> - regex search/replace
>
> Both Vim and Emacs can do these basic features.
> Vim even provides a mechanism for saving and restoring editing sessions.
>
>
A file browser is provided by ECB and I have never encountered any
minibuffer issues you've mentioned below. I also never encountered any
incompatibilities between different customizations and I'm running a
lot. Of course you can't use two that do the same thing, but I think
that's clear (and usually the last one overrides the first, so no
issues there).
Restoring and saving sessions is, of course, possible, too :-), see here[1]

>> - autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
>> structures/classes )
>
> Haven't tried it yet, but for Vim word_complete.vim[1] seems to be what
> you're looking for. You should also have a look at Omnicompletion.
>
> As Emacs has hooks for nearly everything it should be doable with it as
> well.
>
>
It's possible in Emacs, and how to set it up see here[2], the package
you'll see in the link, CEDET, is a complete IDE framework and not
just auto-completion (but you can use only parts of it!), it's used
for example in ECB and JDEE[3]

>> - project manager
>
> Don't know about that but it would be nice to have simpler project
> specific settings for Emacs/Vim.
>
>
For Emacs there's EDE, it's part of CEDET.

>> - symbol list/browser current editing buffer
>
> That's pretty much ctags/etags, maybe cscope.
>
>
And in addition you can browse this stuff with CEDET, see[1] for details.


>> - flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile
>
> You can put the following in ~/.vimrc:
> autocmd BufEnter ~/path/to/project/* set makeprg=scons
>
>
In Emacs you can use whatever you want to build your project, because
there is no classic restriction called project like all these new IDEs
have, but if you want there's EDE.


>> - code folding (with detection of blocks)
>
> Vim does it[2]; Emacs seems to have some kind of FoldingMode according
> to Google.
>
>
Yes, there is, it's called hs-minor-mode.

>> - lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by the
>> bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for example)
>
> Both of them are very customisable in this regard.
>
>
If you've customized Emacs alot, and for Vim that probably true too,
the startup is a bit slower, but you have several possibilities here:
1) start Emacs as server (that's just a normal Emacs but clients can
attach) and edit your files by running emacsclient and in Emacs 23
(not yet released) you can daemonize Emacs and attach as many
instances of Emacs as you want (even from ttys and X at the same
time!)
2) start Emacs -Q (no customizations will be loaded)
3) use a vanilla Vim (which I do often when I'm editing config files)

>> i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +
>
> Emacs features gdb integration and there's Clewn[3] for GVim.
> As for me, I'm rather using a separate screen[4] window in the same session.
>
>
Why don't you desire that? What's the purpose of an IDE if you don't
want an integrated debugger? In Emacs run gdb and then
gdb-many-windows (then debugging looks the same as in all these IDEs,
you have a stack window, local variables window, source view,
registers and so on).

>
> Regards,
> Andi
>
> [1] http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=73
> [2] http://www.linux.com/articles/114138
> [3] http://clewn.sourceforge.net/
> [4] http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/
>
>


Oh and be aware that there's no single way in Emacs to do something
and I've told you just the way I do it or the one I know of.




Geralt.



[1]http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/SessionManagement
[2]http://xtalk.msk.su/~ott/en/writings/emacs-devenv/EmacsCedet.html
[3]http://jdee.sourceforge.net/

Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Liviu Andronic]

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 2:51 AM, David Relson <relson@osagesoftware.com> wrote:
>> ide for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs
>> + different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ...
>>
> I've heard some good things about komodo, though it's not open
> source and I've not used it.
>
Komodo IDE is indeed closesource, but Komodo Edit seems LGPLed.
There's an ebuild on bugzilla [1].

Another package missing your list is Geany [2]. It's less fancy, but
you might appreciate its being simple.
Liviu

[1] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=171944
[2] http://www.geany.org/


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Re: [gentoo-user] perfect IDE

[Eduardo Gurgel]

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http://www.qtsoftware.com/developer/qt-creator

Take a look and try it.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Andrei Hanganu <ahanganu@bitdefender.com>wrote:

> helo group,
>
> i've been trying the past 2-3 years to find the most usable and nice ide
> for c/c++ code writing. I've been through vim/vim + plugins/emacs +
> different modes/anjuta/kdevelop/codeblocks/eclipse/netbeans ... every
> single one of them has at least one drawback.
>
> In short words, i am looking for an ide that can do this:
> - syntax highlighting
> - autocomplete (on the fly, not on demand, and maybe smart? - identify
> structures/classes )
> - concurrent editing of multiple files (splitting)
> - tabs or buffer list
> - file browser
> - project manager
> - symbol list/browser current editing buffer
> - regex search/replace
> - flexible build options that include scons, not just makefile
> - code folding (with detection of blocks)
> - lightweight/ergonomic interface (i dislike space being occupied by the
> bar that displays the line numbers, with a padding of 10px for example)
>
> i don't desire gdb or valgrind integration, but would be a +
>
> does anyone know the answer to this ultimate question? I keep comparing
> different editors with the microsoft's visual studio, that is not by far
> as powerful as emacs but it just plain and simple does the job. They
> will reach a milestone when the brackets matching will actually work,
> but despite small inconveniences, i find it to be very close to what i
> am looking for.
> kdevelop also seemed very close to what i wanted, but somehow the fonts
> or the dpi make it very "crowded", i get very little space for the code.
> On the other hand netbeans is a good example of how the interface should
> be arranged, but java driven ide tends to stop being able to respond in
>  tolerable time.
>
> i am on the edge of despair, and i am willing to try even a commercial
> solution.
> Anyone had some very positive experience with a specific ide?
>
> thanks,
> Andrei
>
>


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