From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LX0qV-00063n-Tx for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:12:48 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 00C52E03CC; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:12:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ew0-f19.google.com (mail-ew0-f19.google.com [209.85.219.19]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A385E03CC for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so129846ewy.10 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:12:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gnFsYjMtLlo5VHywIxv6dIcjEXjxjodH5fMzA1uiSCQ=; b=OQL1xXRpfinZa0L9IGraNyh18jQxBV+ssjDyCw2GVeQaU/rDV+OVAGLTKvwLck/83Q hlFanYbJ1GTxtrNDl6B7fUuRCP1qMucoU4Emvr/eKcYOh633Sismjtbr3MRWBBQ/JGh9 4LBb/FaEM5R8S2UlwDiJ9abTWRUoXe9pHhDaM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=X2AM0BT58FsqwAGVV6sFGHcqXy1pD0zUK2JNuNBsQo5VnDOVoIfV4dVDlhsK6Y3S3T L/qCqYKM6mlD3+BFeWxVuyMkDv3T0ufTZHvKIgEc29u6wrMCMOSD5h9oWq9GaSUmXLtb SrRIUkqfsmQNXBsf6a2w0bhVXQoofUd+JiMNs= Received: by 10.142.157.6 with SMTP id f6mr877811wfe.248.1234303961926; Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:12:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? (dsl-216-66-226-80.static.linkline.com [216.66.226.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm12634802wfd.15.2009.02.10.14.12.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:12:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4991FBD6.9050104@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:12:38 -0800 From: Joshua D Doll User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090102) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] The Linux Ecosystem (with funny references to Gentoo vs Canonical) References: <499109B3.1050100@gmail.com> <499115DE.4040900@gmail.com> <200902100841.40152.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> <4991F8EF.1080506@wright.org> In-Reply-To: <4991F8EF.1080506@wright.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: da5aacf0-f4dc-4e8b-af0f-d5a82fd9346a X-Archives-Hash: 9aa0a53066998ef438d4d6fccd82692d Roy Wright wrote: > Mick wrote: >> On Tuesday 10 February 2009, Joshua D Doll wrote: >>> Saphirus Sage wrote: >>>> Nikos Chantziaras wrote: >>>>> http://video.linuxfoundation.org/video/1069 >>>>> >>>>> I found it quite interesting that even Gentoo beat Canonical in the >>>>> amount of patches contributed upstream... >>>> Good find, I actually didn't know about E-Trade using Gentoo >>>> servers. I >>>> don't think it should be too surprising that Gentoo would contribute >>>> more patches than Conical, as until today, I'd only actually heard of >>>> one of them. >>> This video brought up an interesting question by my friend (an ubuntu >>> user). How would one go about getting Canonical or the ubuntu community >>> to change their practice of not contributing fixes back upstream? >>> Without having to change distributions. >> >> Gentoo involves you more with what goes bad under the bonnet and the >> average Gentoo user is more interested in the workings of their OS to >> attempt troubleshooting it and filing bugs. Your average Ubuntu user >> is less likely to get their hands dirty, unless they are a dev. So, >> essentially we are talking about different user profiles here. To >> answer your friend's hypothetical question - he would either have to >> change your average Ubuntu's user technical aptitude, or change the >> user. Either attempt may mean the end of Ubuntu as we know it. > > The ubuntus are targeted at disgruntled windows users while gentoo is > targeted at unix users. The former are used to complaining and > getting no response while the later know it's their responsibility to > help make it better... > > Have fun, > Roy > > I think you may be right with your assessment there Roy. The only solution I could up with was to change distributions he didn't like that suggestion, not sure why, because changing distros is like changing underwear. Maybe he has some strange fascination with Ubunutu's pretty color scheme? --Joshua Doll //