From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LVCk0-0005Tc-3L for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:30:36 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF8D7E064F; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.168]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E722E064F for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 22:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 29so486695wff.10 for ; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:30:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KOCd/21Z5gG90H7xpYVtjqMqVAYdSCJgLB0TBVSj7I0=; b=jGYjcb3zPt/ns3ixtySBcEZh2C9h+PUntQgsbXRtIShFpSm7lrDRwT/hfFKTOOl812 s5UsFS6QYOJnRvF7FvXvGQi38fHl4rc06esWx2aRb26dq/PT2auHu/oLvcKVhoehyBz1 zNOgbllHs/9gni9mGIlTszTFZqxRr7kBPzIao= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V1s0pAXZDxAbXkBMO68jw0kJqX6J9IW4NzO8KliJaI7oGsBD5cG2s2fb5r7ILTvMas tO+ryCmZh02nsqRV5yRsEN2tVTL+tNykO1JH/REy+QVjkQg6U3Slmg+i97WYpn5ozi5Z K8jRTYdkPkPw++ZNZpd0KjJHL2HYKYUCTJpQw= Received: by 10.142.126.6 with SMTP id y6mr567878wfc.83.1233873032890; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? (dsl-216-66-226-80.static.linkline.com [216.66.226.80]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm1439120wfa.19.2009.02.05.14.30.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:30:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <498B6886.1070207@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:30:30 -0800 From: Joshua D Doll User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090102) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh? References: <200902052010.25653.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <200902052036.05303.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <498B42D4.3060005@gmail.com> <5bdc1c8b0902051220m35e15s2171a98bba6cf82e@mail.gmail.com> <58965d8a0902051232u6ad8a601ge4b88791ddb36397@mail.gmail.com> <498B4E4B.4000303@gmail.com> <58965d8a0902051416w40e97833j724910c664e8b9d1@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <58965d8a0902051416w40e97833j724910c664e8b9d1@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 42dc9322-b464-4cfc-818a-2cb6fcec3210 X-Archives-Hash: 34f493145140795c6e629201b98d1916 Paul Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Joshua D Doll wrote: > >> Paul Hartman wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Mark Knecht wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:49 AM, Joshua D Doll >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> I think the Handbook and other Official gentoo docs are well and >>>>> written. I >>>>> feel they are so well written and informative that a new user could read >>>>> and >>>>> follow what the doc is trying to convey. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --Joshua Doll >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I agree. Everything except the grub part. It's well written but it >>>> requires more knowledge about the actual hardware than the rest of it, >>>> especially if you do it wrong and have to recover. >>>> >>>> >>> I helped my brother install Ubuntu and the lack of control over grub >>> was frustrating. It just did what it wanted to do without asking >>> (which was install grub onto the wrong drive with the wrong drive >>> numbers, because the BIOS boot order did not match Ubuntu's detected >>> drive order). If that drive had been part of a RAID or had some >>> important metadata in the boot sector, it could have been a disaster. >>> >>> No distro is perfect. Gentoo is perfect for me, though :) >>> >>> >>> >>> >> I think you mean to say no boot loader is perfect. ;-) >> >> --Joshua Doll >> >> >> > > The ubuntu installer did not tell me which drive it was installing the > boot loader onto, nor did it give me a choice -- it chose the one it > thought was appropriate (and it was wrong). > > If you google for ubuntu grub sata ide you can see it happens to > nearly everyone who has a mixture of IDE and SATA drives where they > boot from IDE but linux gives sda to sata and sdc to IDE or whatever. > > > Actually the kernel has assigned most hdd, etc. some form of sd* for awhile now. The only thing that is labeled different, that I've seen in awhile is my dvd burner. Anyways getting to my statement I was being facetious. I can't think of a single piece of software that is perfect, except for maybe "hello, world!", but that's not very useful. --Joshua Doll