From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1LV9SZ-0006mE-Oy for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:00:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7ECD7E03ED; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599F1E03ED for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:00:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from basement.kutulu.org ([70.121.200.185]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090205190021.NPNW5582.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@basement.kutulu.org> for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:00:21 +0000 Received: by basement.kutulu.org (Postfix, from userid 58) id 12A6411491; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:00:21 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on basement.kutulu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basement.kutulu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B23711441 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2009 14:00:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <498B3743.5030201@kutulu.org> Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2009 14:00:19 -0500 From: Mike Edenfield User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20081204 Thunderbird/3.0b1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh? References: <200902051201.38316.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <200902051301.48888.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <200902051301.48888.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e869695b-1b97-4077-85c3-9dc13aef1451 X-Archives-Hash: e7b9190b906c1ced66b5b35212d0cfc6 On 2/5/2009 7:01 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: > no. He is an idiot if he does not read the docs. Simple. Like people who don't > read the manual to their car or vcr and then complaining if something does not > work. Idiots. "They should read the manual" is *not* a valid design goal for a system. At best, it's a justification or rationalization when outside constraints force a design to be non-intuitive. Given the choice between two otherwise equally functional systems (of any sort -- electronic, mechanical, digital, etc); if one requires me to spend extensive time reading an instruction manual to use and the other is designed to be easy to use out of the box -- the "idiot" is the person wasting their time reading instead of being productive. To use your own example, I have no problem figuring out how to start my car, turn on the A/C, tune my radio, and drive to work without reading the automobile manual. If Gentoo's installer *has* to be difficult because it's the only way to supply additional benefits or features, that's a perfectly reasonable argument. If Gentoo's installer is *stuck* being difficult because there is a lack of resources interested in making it better, that's an upsetting, but equally reasonable argument. If Gentoo's installer is difficult *on purpose* just to make Gentoo hard to use, that's ridiculous. --K