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(dialup-4.230.105.178.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [4.230.105.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm4294816wfi.18.2009.02.02.09.04.51 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:05:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <498727A4.7000002@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:04:36 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.19) Gecko/20081227 SeaMonkey/1.1.14 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] cnn.com flash videos crash firefox References: <49bf44f10901211907w66dafcbdm3160956369793dca@mail.gmail.com> <84F97654-4B0E-49D2-A451-5411EBEC9C18@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <49bf44f10901220824q144370aao97cbd7af85b6cb04@mail.gmail.com> <20090130140154.GA444@nibiru.local> <49bf44f10901311454n169d968ep8e03ce5e159ec17@mail.gmail.com> <09B21436-8426-4B9A-9B6F-A3AB6A171964@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <20090202103635.GA11963@marvin.heimnetz.local> <4986EF72.2090003@gmail.com> <49bf44f10902020838l1e7e8102p672c400ffa573ef9@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49bf44f10902020838l1e7e8102p672c400ffa573ef9@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 92780a57-f68a-4662-a576-b1f5768537d2 X-Archives-Hash: 480b353be0f9ff322ccd523b04eeb78c Grant wrote: >>>>>>> Oh I get it, the computer doesn't want me to see the Obama video. Yes >>>>>>> that's funny. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, what an intelligent machine you've got ;-p >>>>>> Did it already point you to Tarpley's biography about Hussein Obama ? >>>>>> Or to Obma's connections to Brezinski (the one who wants to get >>>>>> China into war against Russia) ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> What could there be that wasn't already exposed during a very long >>>>> election campaign? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> IT WAS HUSHED UP BY TEH LIBERAL MEDIA!!! >>>> >>>> WAKE UP SHEEPLE!! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Just a honest question from Germany: >>> >>> Which ones are the liberal medias overseas? >>> >>> Since from here I wouldn't call anything I know liberal, let alone >>> anything progressive... >>> >>> Sebastian >>> >>> >>> >> If you mean liberal in the USA, NBC being the most, then CNN, CBS and >> ABC. CNN and CBS are about the same and ABC is somewhat better. >> According to some media research folks, BBC is left leaning as well. I >> have watched it a few times and saw no reason to disagree. >> >> The hard part is finding a source for the facts so a person can make >> their own decisions. For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had >> then along came Fox. The old media seemed to think the people are all >> stupid and needed someone to make decisions for them instead of >> realizing that most Americans are smart enough to do their own >> thinking. Of course, that is also why Fox has more viewers than CNN, >> MSNBC and the rest combined. >> >> Hope that answered your question. >> > > I don't think we should pretend that our own views don't scew our > perception of not only what is true, but also what is fair and > balanced. I'm a liberal fellow and although NBC and CNN do seem > liberal to me, I still perceive them to be a good source of news > facts. ABC seems only very slightly to the left, and Fox seems so far > to the right it's ridiculous. These aren't evaluations of truthiness, > but of fairness. Dale obviously disagrees. The point is that no one > is actually a good judge of truth *or* fairness. > > As for why Fox has "more" (let's say the same number of) viewers as > the rest of the networks, I think you stated the reason exactly: > > "For years, CNN, CBS and friends was all we had then along came Fox." > > Conservative folks don't have any other choice, and the US seems to be > pretty split in half as far as Democrats/Republicans if elections > results are any indication. > > - Grant > > > A lot of what you said is dead on. I do have to add that there are independent organizations that analyze the broadcasts of CNN, Fox and others and then report who is leaning where. [1] That is where I got my information. I didn't just make it up. Repeatedly over the years Fox told both sides of the story and not just one side. They also look at WHAT is being reported. Let's say Obama makes a screw up, Fox will talk about it but most likely NBC won't even mention it since they were in the tank for him and supported him during the election. Also, Fox is not conservative. It's just that CNN and others are so far to the left that Fox looks like it is right. I see both Dems and Reps on Fox but whenever I see CNN, they mostly tell one side, the side they support. I want both sides so I can make up my own mind. I'm doing that with the bail out plan they are talking about now. Yes, I still call it a bail out but it looks more like social engineering to me. My point is this, I watched CNN for years with really no other source for news. Then comes the internet and Fox news. Now I see that my "gut feeling" was right. They were not reporting the news but trying to tell me what to think. That is a serious turn off. I'm divorced because I got lied to. That was the root cause of that. CNN and friends is about like my ex. They both lied and I don't deal with either of them. Honest mistakes are one thing but trying to tell people something that is not accurate is not. I'm one of those you screw up once and I'm done. Dale :-) :-) [1] http://www.mediaresearch.org/ That is just one that I could remember off the top of my head.