From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-81700-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1KFsvb-0001IR-6V for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:46:59 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D1272E055B; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4773E0558 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from basement.kutulu.org ([70.121.200.185]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20080707154657.FEGG2063.cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com@basement.kutulu.org> for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:46:57 +0000 Received: by basement.kutulu.org (Postfix, from userid 58) id E464311457; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:46:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on basement.kutulu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by basement.kutulu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9ECF1143D for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <48723B18.5030000@kutulu.org> Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 11:49:44 -0400 From: Mike Edenfield <kutulu@kutulu.org> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421) Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] on cdr{kit,tools} and licensing (was: emerge -avC cdrkit && emerge -av cdrtools) References: <486F599D.4090606@konstantinhansen.de> <200807061729.47921.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4870f116.QK7RcdN+vW0tJtGN%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200807062035.21483.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <48711a2e.ubKRGLogmitzpet1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <48714198.5000406@paradise.net.nz> <4871def1.srqmLwgcR5gyNF+P%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <6142e6140807070337j6489758fn2194ad2050d4cb4c@mail.gmail.com> <48722bc0.PwfyibHt0tjungCs%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <48722bc0.PwfyibHt0tjungCs%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 655a9fb2-b57d-4a87-8040-b11c43214453 X-Archives-Hash: 9cb39dc5fa962786c03ca2e190ee77bc Joerg Schilling wrote: > They claimed that the official build system was not legal but they replaced it > with a build system that definitely is not legal because it is not included in > the source. You keep saying this, but I just don't see where it's coming from. Firstly, the cdrkit source ships with all of the cmake scripts that are needed by cmake to build the project. This is all that is required by the GPL. And before you tell me to "look again" or "go read something" or whatever -- I did. I have the cdrkit source tarball right here, and I'm looking at the files in question. I also have a copy of the GPL, which says exactly this: "plus the scripts used to control compilation and installation of the executable". Note there is no requirement that the actual *build tools* be included, only the scripts used to control them. Otherwise it would be illegal to ship any GPL'd program without the entire source to make, gcc, binutils, sed, awk, cat, etc. Secondly, even if they were required to include cmake in the cdrkit package, they can legally ship cmake and cdrkit in a single package under the GPL -- the modified BSD license allows this exact combination. They don't do this because they don't *need* to, but if they did need to, it would be perfectly legitimate. I may not be convinced of truth of their argument that cdrtools has licensing issues. That depends entirely on where you draw the line between a compilation, which is a derivative work under copyright law, and a mere aggregation, which is not. But I *am* absolutely convinced that your counter-argument about cdrkit is absolutely false. --K -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list