From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KEiaG-0007AC-3K for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:32:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 8F0D4E0515; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de [153.96.87.18]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42716E0515 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:32:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de[host mailgwb1] (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64AW59j012115 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:32:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m64AW4Pd012108 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:32:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id m64AW45F028554 for ; Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:32:04 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 4 Jul 2008 12:32:04 +0200 Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 12:32:04 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: intentionally broken media Message-ID: <486dfc24.XsEWOK5eNcSEzJFD%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <18531.30762.772190.169044@ccs.covici.com> <48637A78.8020106@paradise.net.nz> <48637B9B.1010607@paradise.net.nz> <48637eb8.8Jv72RlvJz1kwG6j%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4864059A.7070602@paradise.net.nz> <486408e8.H6jJprFk5Zz6c8f9%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <486418FF.7040408@paradise.net.nz> <4864a51a.gy2WWO+BICOOKx7w%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080701111600.GF21556@nibiru.local> <486c9410.auL2rSv/4Uz61o5x%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080703232316.GC12976@nibiru.local> In-Reply-To: <20080703232316.GC12976@nibiru.local> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jul 2008 10:32:04.0684 (UTC) FILETIME=[33C208C0:01C8DDC1] X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 726d960a-a836-4d0e-8a82-7e7cd5bb665d X-Archives-Hash: cf0515158a00cb0297f9d93e0ae7c533 Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > You first need to check whether you may sue someone at all if you are= =20 > > not the "Verbraucherzentrale".=20 > > Well, depends on from which side you want to attack: > a) competition law violation: you have to be a competitor or represent > an reasonably large part of the market to be alled to file a suite.=20 > b) they've sold a defective product, and so you're going to hold them > responsible for compensation > c) you see this as an defraud and press criminal charges. OK, I forgot that you might have contact to a competitor. In this case, i= t=20 should be possible to force shops to clearly separate the selling point f= or=20 non-standard products from the products that behave as expected. > > What you may do is to forbid mixing these non-CDs with standard compl= iant=20 > > media in the same rack in a shop and you may force the shops to add h= ints=20 > > that "the rack to the left" does not include CDs. > > Yep, that would be the shop's resposibility, followed on the consumer > protection law. Another side is directly attacking the producer. I am no sure whether you may directly attack the producer, but I would as= ume=20 that you could forbid the producer to advertize these defective products = as if=20 they were CDs. I expect this will result in some micro-text: "This produc= t is=20 not a CD, we thus cannot grant that it is playable in a CD player" on all= ads. J=F6rg --=20 EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J=F6rg Schilling D-13353 = Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) =20 schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogs= pot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/s= chily --=20 gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list