From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KEKbX-000780-7v for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 03 Jul 2008 08:55:51 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9973FE040A; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (mailgw1.fraunhofer.de [153.96.1.17]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50175E040A for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de[host mailgw12] (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m638tmhV009170 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m638tlQR009161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:55:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id m638tlJa021652 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:55:47 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:55:47 +0200 Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:55:44 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] OT: intentionally broken media Message-ID: <486c9410.auL2rSv/4Uz61o5x%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <18531.28220.422217.83470@ccs.covici.com> <48637525.WBmxD5YHh77mJtfJ%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <18531.30762.772190.169044@ccs.covici.com> <48637A78.8020106@paradise.net.nz> <48637B9B.1010607@paradise.net.nz> <48637eb8.8Jv72RlvJz1kwG6j%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4864059A.7070602@paradise.net.nz> <486408e8.H6jJprFk5Zz6c8f9%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <486418FF.7040408@paradise.net.nz> <4864a51a.gy2WWO+BICOOKx7w%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080701111600.GF21556@nibiru.local> In-Reply-To: <20080701111600.GF21556@nibiru.local> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2008 08:55:47.0483 (UTC) FILETIME=[95DD5EB0:01C8DCEA] X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 365d6943-fea9-4f7e-b842-452689051ea7 X-Archives-Hash: a76b95f5d86e425de76f08d621af969c Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > Some years ago, the Music Mafia did start to sell defective=20 > > disks that look similar to CDs, but this is a different story. > > Yep, I recently had an dvd which didn't play on my notebook, > couldn't read a single block :( > Luckily I didn't buy it.=20 > > In these days you have to be *really* careful what to buy. > > BTW: a friend of mine is lawyer and music producer. I'm trying > to convince him to admonish those companies which intentionally > sell broken products ... would be nice if he'd really do this :) > Joerg, do you feel confident enough in the area to provide a=20 > expertise which could stand in court ? I tries to do this via the "Verbraucherzentrale" - they have not been interested.=20 You first need to check whether you may sue someone at all if you are not= =20 the "Verbraucherzentrale". What you may do is to forbid mixing these non-= CDs with standard compliant media in the same rack in a shop and you may forc= e the=20 shops to add hints that "the rack to the left" does not include CDs. J=F6rg --=20 EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J=F6rg Schilling D-13353 = Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) =20 schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogs= pot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/s= chily --=20 gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list