From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KDF3H-0002cu-Sh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:48:00 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3BA5E030C; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de [153.96.87.18]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B444E030C for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 08:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de[host mailgwb1] (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5U8ltbV001574 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:47:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5U8lt4I001563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:47:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id m5U8lsQw000131 for ; Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:47:54 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:47:54 +0200 Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:47:50 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Message-ID: <48689db6.sqtZ/uk0I6fiHlDb%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <200806271100.15762.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4864b227.lYMApV4Tx50fgp98%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <28FC20CF-A74D-4C91-8F0C-9CEA66599471@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <4864b997.wuGCZVlMdDQKTIxH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080627215052.381fe4ed@ilievnet.com> <486567c2.PzqXKZJYaHOvK7F7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080628044126.3f44efe2@ilievnet.com> <48660d1b.B9v5pIdQ81gN10qj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080628213340.4d6c7a06@ilievnet.com> <486773e8.G33l2eZhX2KGazWK%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080629234342.GA16913@marvin.heimnetz.local> In-Reply-To: <20080629234342.GA16913@marvin.heimnetz.local> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Jun 2008 08:47:54.0727 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCD74770:01C8DA8D] X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 91cdec22-f175-48ed-b29b-699fabbdb99d X-Archives-Hash: cb2f263e9943590e56934f6640522045 Sebastian G=FCnther wrote: > > Unfortunately the GPL has not been written in an unambiguous way. Thi= s is > > why the OSI rated the GPL as non-free for several years. Some years a= go, the > > FSF explained that the GPL needs to be interpreted in a way that make= s it > > compliant to the rules at http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd > >=20 > > And that is the bottom of the line in this whole elaborate discussion: > The definition of freedom. > > I *like* the GPL because of that "You have all the freedom, exept to cu= t=20 > down this freedom"-attitude. It is like: I am a tolerant person, but no= t=20 > to intolerant people. And as another example: The german constitution=20 > also prohibits the change of the articles that guarantee human rights. You seem to have a major missunderstanding with the background ot the=20 constitution. The constitution has not been written to save the constitut= ion while ignoring possible harm to the people. The constitution does not giv= e=20 asymmetric rights to parts of the whole population only. The GPL however limits the usability of OpenSource as OSS and claims this is in order to save OSS. The GPL allows GPLd software to use any kind of=20 software but disallows other OpenSource Software to use GPLd software. Another big problem with the GPL is that the Free Software Foundation doe= s not=20 care about leality in own projects. There are at least two official FSF=20 projects that did ilegally change the license of the code they use from o= ther=20 projects. libcdio did change code taken from cdrtools from GPLv2-only to=20 GPLv2-or-any-later and vcdimager publishes code under GPL that never has = been=20 put under GPL by the author. > And if I wrote software, I would not want people to reuse the codeit in= =20 > closed source. So GPL is the right choice for me, because of the viral= =20 > and supposed non-free issue. If you like this, you do not need to forbid to use the software for other= OSS as done by the GPL.=20 =20 > But remember, if more people contibute to a software project, then the=20 > license is some essential part of the collaboration. Changing it=20 > requires the consensus of *all* people who *ever* contributed to it. You are obviously uninformed about legal facts. In Europe as well as in t= he=20 USA, "minor contributors" are not given the right to decide on this. > So changing a license is always cumbersome. Then you should be against the GPL as many GPL people take BSD code=20 and illegally add GPL tags. This may be tolerated by the authors but it i= s=20 still forbidden by law. J=F6rg --=20 EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J=F6rg Schilling D-13353 = Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) =20 schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogs= pot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/s= chily --=20 gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list