From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KCvv1-0002VR-9h for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:22:11 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E03BFE046F; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aa013msr.fastwebnet.it (aa013msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.73]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C6DE046F for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [37.1.3.90] (37.1.3.90) by aa013msr.fastwebnet.it (8.0.013.8) (authenticated as cyclopia) id 485BD095012157F6 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:22:08 +0200 Message-ID: <48678043.2010706@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:29:55 +0200 From: "b.n." User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080507) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's References: <4864059A.7070602@paradise.net.nz> <486408e8.H6jJprFk5Zz6c8f9%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200806271100.15762.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4864b227.lYMApV4Tx50fgp98%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <28FC20CF-A74D-4C91-8F0C-9CEA66599471@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <4864b997.wuGCZVlMdDQKTIxH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080627215052.381fe4ed@ilievnet.com> <486567c2.PzqXKZJYaHOvK7F7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080628044126.3f44efe2@ilievnet.com> <48661a29.5Eb8BUNqea1Furr1%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4866268E.5030105@gmail.com> <4866a630.tLLeKsLancNqYyd7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <4866E15A.5060608@gmail.com> <4866EB78.2040105@paradise.net.nz> <4867590F.2030901@gmail.com> <486767f4.o+VLSGRyAUxpg8aR%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> In-Reply-To: <486767f4.o+VLSGRyAUxpg8aR%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: bc4338b3-ff97-4e9a-a567-2e227df166a6 X-Archives-Hash: da7c77f9ba0fc4a813e203ccfd903768 Joerg Schilling ha scritto: > "b.n." wrote: > >> Again, it is entirely possible that Joerg, despite his somehow weird >> behaviour, could be right. But I fail to see the strong evidence that >> should backup his strong statements. > > So you like to tell us that if a few people like to spread a lie, all they need > to do is to create a web of pointers to copies of this lie? Well, that's exactly what happens everyday. Welcome to the real world. :) But that's irrelevant to our discussion, because I do not want a "web of pointers to copies". I want a single pointer to the (hopefully public) mailing list thread(s) where you discussed with Bloch and you were attacked by him. Where is this thread? > A single person who tells the truth seems to have no chance in your world > because people do not make a reality check on statements but just count the > number of copies? It has all chances possible. It is enough to bring *proof*. Not a billion copies of proof: just proof. That "number of copies" stuff is something you put into the discussion and that I never, ever asked for. > It would be easy to check timelines to get an impression of the credibility > of the people around Bloch. > > I should mention that Bloch did not get much attention inside Debian with his > hirst attack which started around 2004. The CDDL was accepted by Debian and > nobody complained in February 2005 when I changed the first project from GPL to > CDDL. Nothing happened after I published the first OpenSolaris distribution on > June 17th 2005 - 3 days after the first OpenSolaris source was out. The attacks > from Debian against the CDDL started in September 2005 after the Nexenta distro > (Debian userland on top of Solaris) was published. > > A year later but still a week _before_ the "cdrkit project" started, Debian > finally accepted the CDDL as free license. The people from the cdrkit "project" > still claim that the "fork" was done because the CDDL is not free. Do you > believe people who repeatedly contradict themself? I don't care about "credibility". I care about individual statements. As far as I have understood, the problem is not CDDL not being free, but being incompatible with the GPL in the particular build system you choose for cdrtools. So, I see no contradiction here. Maybe I'm wrong, but again, we want *proof*. m. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list