From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KCvbv-0008Tr-BP for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:02:28 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 961ADE02B8; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de [153.96.87.18]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D34BE02B8 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:02:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de[host mailgwb1] (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TC2Ow6005499 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgwb1.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5TC2NB1005485 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id m5TC2N23014027 for ; Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:23 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:23 +0200 Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:23 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Message-ID: <486779cf.vnAaYXTIVlvdf6Iv%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <4864059A.7070602@paradise.net.nz> <486408e8.H6jJprFk5Zz6c8f9%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200806271100.15762.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4864b227.lYMApV4Tx50fgp98%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <28FC20CF-A74D-4C91-8F0C-9CEA66599471@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <4864b997.wuGCZVlMdDQKTIxH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080627215052.381fe4ed@ilievnet.com> <486567c2.PzqXKZJYaHOvK7F7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080628044126.3f44efe2@ilievnet.com> <48660d1b.B9v5pIdQ81gN10qj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <486624EB.6070308@gmail.com> <4866a008.0YWRE08s/hItlP9m%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080629030005.1471baaf@ilievnet.com> In-Reply-To: <20080629030005.1471baaf@ilievnet.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2008 12:02:23.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDA0B000:01C8D9DF] X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: edf86bab-773e-4978-bfe3-75e7f660f1a0 X-Archives-Hash: 805bd69b17af988ade11bcbd68af2c30 Daniel Iliev wrote: > > The GPL tries to take off freedom in otder to keep freedom. This does > > not work in most cases (I tried to sue two companies to no avail), so > > why take off freedom at all? > > > > OK, all this means that in your opinion CDDL is better than GPL, but > by no means it grants you the right to disregard GPL in favour of CDDL.= =20 > > Like it or not, there are GPL-ed pieces in cdrtools and if you want to > use those pieces you have to comply with the GPL. That's the will of > their respective authors. I don't like the EULA of Microsoft, so I > don't use their products. It's as simple as that. If you like to discuss things with the author of software you should not=20 disregard his will. The license change to a more free license on cdrtools has been planned si= nce=20 2001 which is long before the attacks from Eduard Bloch started. > As I see it there are two options to stop the pointless discussion if > CDDL and GPL can be legally mixed in cdrtools. First - revert back to > GPL, second - move everything to CDDL. I see two solutions for the > second choice: Making pointless proposals like the one you did is one of the reasons why there are endless discussions. While the current license set up and the combination in use for cdrtools = has=20 been verified by specialized lawyers, the claims from the people around B= loch=20 are all made by laymen only. If you like it or not, the GPL has been intentionally made asymmetric to = allow=20 the combination used for mkisofs. If the GPL was defined the way some lic= ense=20 trolls like to see it, then GPLd software would be illegal on MS-WIN, HP-= UX,=20 AIX, ... It was very important for Stallman to allow to use GPLd software= on=20 Closed Source operating systems and for this reason, the GPL allows GPLd = code=20 to use other code from any license. J=F6rg --=20 EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J=F6rg Schilling D-13353 = Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) =20 schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogs= pot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/s= chily --=20 gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list