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From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling)
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:02:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <486779cf.vnAaYXTIVlvdf6Iv%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080629030005.1471baaf@ilievnet.com>

Daniel Iliev <daniel.iliev@gmail.com> wrote:

> > The GPL tries to take off freedom in otder to keep freedom. This does
> > not work in most cases (I tried to sue two companies to no avail), so
> > why take off freedom at all?
> >
>
> OK, all this means that in your opinion CDDL is better than GPL, but
> by no means it grants you the right to disregard GPL in favour of CDDL. 
>
> Like it or not, there are GPL-ed pieces in cdrtools and if you want to
> use those pieces you have to comply with the GPL. That's the will of
> their respective authors. I don't like the EULA of Microsoft, so I
> don't use their products. It's as simple as that.

If you like to discuss things with the author of software you should not 
disregard his will.

The license change to a more free license on cdrtools has been planned since 
2001 which is long before the attacks from Eduard Bloch started.


> As I see it there are two options to stop the pointless discussion if
> CDDL and GPL can be legally mixed in cdrtools. First - revert back to
> GPL, second - move everything to CDDL. I see two solutions for the
> second choice:

Making pointless proposals like the one you did is one of the reasons why
there are endless discussions.

While the current license set up and the combination in use for cdrtools has 
been verified by specialized lawyers, the claims from the people around Bloch 
are all made by laymen only.

If you like it or not, the GPL has been intentionally made asymmetric to allow 
the combination used for mkisofs. If the GPL was defined the way some license 
trolls like to see it, then GPLd software would be illegal on MS-WIN, HP-UX, 
AIX, ... It was very important for Stallman to allow to use GPLd software on 
Closed Source operating systems and for this reason, the GPL allows GPLd code 
to use other code from any license.


Jörg

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-29 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-25 20:21 [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Yoav Luft
2008-06-25 21:01 ` Uwe Thiem
2008-06-25 21:50   ` John covici
2008-06-26  9:46     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 10:23       ` John covici
2008-06-26 10:53         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 11:06           ` John covici
2008-06-26 11:16             ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 11:20               ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 11:34                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 11:57                   ` John covici
2008-06-26 12:15                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:08                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-26 21:09                   ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 21:23                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 22:32                       ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-27  8:30                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:16                           ` [gentoo-user] OT: intentionally broken media Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-03  8:55                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 23:23                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-04 10:32                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-04 21:12                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-07 11:51                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:00                       ` [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Alan McKinnon
2008-06-27  9:25                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:50                           ` Stroller
2008-06-27  9:57                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27 10:06                               ` Stroller
2008-06-27 18:50                               ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-27 22:20                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27 22:53                                   ` b.n.
2008-06-28  9:12                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28  1:41                                   ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-28  9:26                                     ` Stroller
2008-06-28 11:02                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 11:54                                         ` b.n.
2008-06-28 20:59                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29  1:11                                             ` b.n.
2008-06-29  1:55                                               ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-29  9:42                                                 ` b.n.
2008-06-29 10:02                                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 10:46                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 12:29                                                     ` b.n.
2008-06-29 13:26                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 16:28                                                         ` b.n.
2008-06-30 15:46                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 21:50                                                             ` b.n.
2008-06-30 22:13                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 23:15                                                                 ` b.n.
2008-06-30 23:28                                                                   ` Mike Edenfield
2008-07-01  9:22                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01  7:44                                                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2008-07-03  3:42                                                               ` Aaron Clark
2008-07-03 12:03                                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                                                       ` <48678d82.rmfIMzIpF6v323D6%Joerg.Sch illing@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
2008-06-29 14:49                                                         ` [gentoo-user] " James
2008-06-28 12:10                                         ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
2008-06-28 12:36                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 11:05                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 11:47                                             ` Sascha Hlusiak
2008-06-29 13:18                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 14:02                                                 ` Sascha Hlusiak
2008-06-29 19:10                                                 ` Stroller
2008-06-30 16:08                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 17:29                                                     ` brullo nulla
2008-07-01  8:52                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 19:00                                             ` Stroller
2008-06-30 16:01                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 16:41                                         ` Stroller
2008-06-28 10:06                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 11:47                                       ` b.n.
2008-06-28 20:33                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29  0:00                                           ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 12:02                                             ` Joerg Schilling [this message]
2008-06-29 16:51                                               ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-28 18:33                                       ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29  9:50                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 11:37                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 16:18                                           ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 16:23                                             ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 23:43                                           ` Sebastian Günther
2008-06-30  8:47                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 18:24                                               ` Sebastian Günther
2008-07-01 12:26                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 12:18                                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 11:44                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:12                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 18:39                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:54                           ` Alan McKinnon
2008-07-01 11:39                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:06                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 22:55                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-26 11:16             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 13:29             ` Neil Bothwick
2008-07-01 11:05           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-28 12:14         ` Mick
2008-06-28 12:25           ` John covici
2008-06-29 10:51           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:21       ` Yoav Luft
2008-06-27  9:27         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:02       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:15         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 23:35           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-04 10:33             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-04 13:34               ` John covici
2008-07-04 13:51                 ` Daniel Pielmeier
2008-07-04 21:08               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-07 11:42                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  5:53   ` Stroller
2008-06-26  7:53     ` Neil Bothwick
2008-06-26 12:08   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2008-06-26 13:38     ` Uwe Thiem
2008-06-26 15:00       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  1:38 ` W.Kenworthy
2008-06-26 10:21   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  3:26 ` Mark Shields

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