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From: "b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 11:42:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4867590F.2030901@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4866EB78.2040105@paradise.net.nz>

Mark Kirkwood ha scritto:
> b.n. wrote:
>> (The other is your admittedly elusive attitude to release fully 
>> details on what happened, both on your webpages and this thread -for 
>> example, we still have *no* link about the supposed attacks you 
>> received *before* the relicensing, despite repeated requests for that).
>>
>> m.
> I think it is in here:
> 
> http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/linux-dist.html
> 
> specifically (quote):
> 
> 
>        In fact, this happened around y2004. I received a patch that was
>        intended to add UTF-8 support to mkisofs.
> 
>        Unfortunately, the code quality of this patch was lousy. It
>        tried to incorrectly initialize a structure and it handled only
>        a few obvious cases. Many important issues with UTF-8 support
>        have been completely ignored. As a result, I rejected this patch
>        because I do care about code quality (I still need to be able to
>        maintain the code in a few years). The people in the Linux
>        distribution could have fixed the problems and created a useful
>        solution but they did not do this.
> 
>        Now these people have been in trouble and needed an excuse for
>        their behavior. They created the fairy tale that there is a
>        license problem in cdrtools. They created a network of
>        "cooperation" and supported some people which created a fork of
>        cdrtools based on the fairy tale.....

I've read that, but
1)there is no *reference.* No link to a mailing list thread or such (I 
don't remember if even the infamous Debian bug where the licensing 
problem started is linked on Joerg pages, but at least it is easy to 
find it) -so I don't know if it's true or not. Maybe that' me being a 
scientist, so I am accustomed to expect at least a literature reference 
if there is a potentially questionable statement in a scientific paper 
-but I think it would help to actually see what he is talking about.

2)Statements like "now these people have been in trouble and needed an 
excuse for their behaviour" looks like pure conspiracy theory. Why a 
patch rejected puts people "in trouble"? Why did they need an "excuse"? 
There is no logic in that. Such claims require proof.

Again, it is entirely possible that Joerg, despite his somehow weird 
behaviour, could be right. But I fail to see the strong evidence that 
should backup his strong statements.

m.
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-29  9:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-25 20:21 [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Yoav Luft
2008-06-25 21:01 ` Uwe Thiem
2008-06-25 21:50   ` John covici
2008-06-26  9:46     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 10:23       ` John covici
2008-06-26 10:53         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 11:06           ` John covici
2008-06-26 11:16             ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 11:20               ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 11:34                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 11:57                   ` John covici
2008-06-26 12:15                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:08                       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-26 21:09                   ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-26 21:23                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 22:32                       ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-27  8:30                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:16                           ` [gentoo-user] OT: intentionally broken media Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-03  8:55                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 23:23                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-04 10:32                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-04 21:12                                   ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-07 11:51                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:00                       ` [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Alan McKinnon
2008-06-27  9:25                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:50                           ` Stroller
2008-06-27  9:57                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27 10:06                               ` Stroller
2008-06-27 18:50                               ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-27 22:20                                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27 22:53                                   ` b.n.
2008-06-28  9:12                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28  1:41                                   ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-28  9:26                                     ` Stroller
2008-06-28 11:02                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 11:54                                         ` b.n.
2008-06-28 20:59                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29  1:11                                             ` b.n.
2008-06-29  1:55                                               ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-06-29  9:42                                                 ` b.n. [this message]
2008-06-29 10:02                                                   ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 10:46                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 12:29                                                     ` b.n.
2008-06-29 13:26                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 16:28                                                         ` b.n.
2008-06-30 15:46                                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 21:50                                                             ` b.n.
2008-06-30 22:13                                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 23:15                                                                 ` b.n.
2008-06-30 23:28                                                                   ` Mike Edenfield
2008-07-01  9:22                                                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01  7:44                                                                   ` Neil Bothwick
2008-07-03  3:42                                                               ` Aaron Clark
2008-07-03 12:03                                                                 ` Joerg Schilling
     [not found]                                                       ` <48678d82.rmfIMzIpF6v323D6%Joerg.Sch illing@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
2008-06-29 14:49                                                         ` [gentoo-user] " James
2008-06-28 12:10                                         ` [gentoo-user] " Volker Armin Hemmann
2008-06-28 12:36                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 11:05                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 11:47                                             ` Sascha Hlusiak
2008-06-29 13:18                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 14:02                                                 ` Sascha Hlusiak
2008-06-29 19:10                                                 ` Stroller
2008-06-30 16:08                                                   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 17:29                                                     ` brullo nulla
2008-07-01  8:52                                                       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 19:00                                             ` Stroller
2008-06-30 16:01                                               ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 16:41                                         ` Stroller
2008-06-28 10:06                                     ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-28 11:47                                       ` b.n.
2008-06-28 20:33                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29  0:00                                           ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 12:02                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 16:51                                               ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-28 18:33                                       ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29  9:50                                         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-06-29 11:37                                         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-29 16:18                                           ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 16:23                                             ` Daniel Iliev
2008-06-29 23:43                                           ` Sebastian Günther
2008-06-30  8:47                                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-30 18:24                                               ` Sebastian Günther
2008-07-01 12:26                                                 ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 12:18                                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 11:44                                         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:12                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 18:39                                           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:54                           ` Alan McKinnon
2008-07-01 11:39                           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:06                             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 22:55                               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-26 11:16             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26 13:29             ` Neil Bothwick
2008-07-01 11:05           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-06-28 12:14         ` Mick
2008-06-28 12:25           ` John covici
2008-06-29 10:51           ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-27  9:21       ` Yoav Luft
2008-06-27  9:27         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-01 11:02       ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-01 17:15         ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-03 23:35           ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-04 10:33             ` Joerg Schilling
2008-07-04 13:34               ` John covici
2008-07-04 13:51                 ` Daniel Pielmeier
2008-07-04 21:08               ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-07-07 11:42                 ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  5:53   ` Stroller
2008-06-26  7:53     ` Neil Bothwick
2008-06-26 12:08   ` Volker Armin Hemmann
2008-06-26 13:38     ` Uwe Thiem
2008-06-26 15:00       ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  1:38 ` W.Kenworthy
2008-06-26 10:21   ` Joerg Schilling
2008-06-26  3:26 ` Mark Shields

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