From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KCh6i-0003Ip-6A for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:33:16 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A8A92E0384; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (mailgw1.fraunhofer.de [153.96.1.17]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F4EE0384 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de[host mailgw23] (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SKXDLA020769 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.14.2+/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m5SKXDTw020756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id m5SKXC35011129 for ; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:33:12 +0200 (MEST) Received: from rigel ([10.147.65.195]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:33:12 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 22:33:12 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] CD ROM does not play audio CD's Message-ID: <4866a008.0YWRE08s/hItlP9m%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> References: <4864059A.7070602@paradise.net.nz> <486408e8.H6jJprFk5Zz6c8f9%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <200806271100.15762.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <4864b227.lYMApV4Tx50fgp98%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <28FC20CF-A74D-4C91-8F0C-9CEA66599471@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <4864b997.wuGCZVlMdDQKTIxH%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080627215052.381fe4ed@ilievnet.com> <486567c2.PzqXKZJYaHOvK7F7%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <20080628044126.3f44efe2@ilievnet.com> <48660d1b.B9v5pIdQ81gN10qj%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> <486624EB.6070308@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <486624EB.6070308@gmail.com> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2008 20:33:12.0745 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F84E190:01C8D95E] X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: ec9c241d-1cfd-4b34-b2f0-66ddd6b033b0 X-Archives-Hash: 45f0016c19bdb2989a3b7d8ea8e1430a "b.n." wrote: > Read it (admittedly, read mostly the google cache because berlios.de=20 > seems slow/unreachable now). berlios.de is quick - much faster than the google cache. It may be that y= our=20 internet provider has a bad peering with the German research network. > It just says "I choose CDDL because it's more free than GPL" and stuff=20 > like that. This is better than the complete nothing we had before, but=20 > it is still quite obscure. > > I gave a (quick) look at the CDDL and on one side I feel sympathetic=20 > with you (it seems the incompatibility claimed by Debian is extremly=20 > technical and doesn't seem to pose peculiar problems) but on the other=20 > side it seems CDDL and GPL are similar enough that I see no strong=20 > reason to change license. The CDDL has been designed to be compatible with all OSS licenses. The GPL has been designed to be incompatible (*) with all other licenses=20 including the LGPL. OpenSource needs collaboration. This cannot happen wi= th the asymmetric incompatibility the GPL tries to impose. *) The GPL allows GPLd code to call code from any license but disallows t= hat GPLd code is callsed by non-GPLd code. > - Why is it in your opinion more free, in a few words? The GPL tries to take off freedom in otder to keep freedom. This does not= work=20 in most cases (I tried to sue two companies to no avail), so why take off= =20 freedom at all? > - Why did you prefer to release it CDDL and see people go berserk (righ= t=20 > or wrong they are, it doesn't count here) instead of keeping it GPL and= =20 > let everyone live peacefully? In other words: why is CDDL *so important= *=20 > to you that you prefer to see bad forks of your software pop out instea= d=20 > of having a compromise about licenses and let your software live happil= y? If you did read my FAQ, you would know that this is wrong. I did change the license _after_ Eduard Bloch and his "friends" did go be= rserk. > >> Answering the question with question? (obviously I can do that too := D) > >=20 > > It makes no sense to answer questions if the question contains a hint= for a=20 > > missunderstanding. > > Again, you don't understand the purpose of *human communication*.=20 > Communication is exactly made to iron out misunderstandings.=20 > Communicating with people that are already on your side/already=20 > understand what you're going to say *makes no sense*. I am sorry to see that you don't understand how human communication works= . Only 20% of human communication is done by words. For this reason,=20 communication that is only based on words has a big chance for=20 missunderstandings. I asked back because it was obvious that you already = did=20 missunderstand the license "delaration" from Gentoo. cdrecord/cdda2wav/..= . are under the original CDDL. There is no CDDL-Schily. > > Do you like to tell me that Gentoo users are not interested to know w= hy they > > have problems with CD/DVD writing? > > Do you like to tell me that nobody is interested in a simple fix? > > Surely to let people aware of the cdrkit/cdrtools split and that=20 > cdrtools can fix what's made by cdrkit is useful. > But it seems there is a tendency to make things degenerate into a=20 > constant "either with me or against me!" threading, and your "conspirac= y=20 > theory" attitude does not help. This is again a missunderstanding at your side. As there is no development or bug fixing for cdrkit, it is obviously not=20 possible to write something different than it still does not work. > You tell on the webpage that Debian people started attack you before th= e=20 > licence change. No link, for what I can see at a glance, is provided to= =20 > examples of these attacks (if I'm wrong, please correct me). > No reason is given for those attacks (again, if I'm wrong,etc.). What you read on my web page is first hand information. All other people=20 spread the dissinformation from Bloch.=20 If you _really_ miss information in my FAQ, you should ask... J=F6rg --=20 EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J=F6rg Schilling D-13353 = Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) =20 schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogs= pot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/s= chily --=20 gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list