Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Jacob Todd]

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On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:31:52PM +0800, Xi Shen wrote:
> hi,
> 
> when i try to emerge f-spot, i found that it pull in dev-lang/mon, and
> all its dependencies. why f-spot needs mono? since when mono becomes
> stable, and is used in real linux application?
F-spot is written in mono.
> -- 
> Best Regards,
> David Shen
> 
> http://twitter.com/davidshen84/
> 

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[gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Xi Shen]

hi,

when i try to emerge f-spot, i found that it pull in dev-lang/mon, and
all its dependencies. why f-spot needs mono? since when mono becomes
stable, and is used in real linux application?


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David Shen

http://twitter.com/davidshen84/

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Xi Shen]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Jacob Todd <jaketodd422@gmail.com> wrote:
> F-spot is written in mono.

oh...what a hell of mistake i made.

so, what do people do to manage photos on gnome? i do not like this mono one.


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David Shen

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Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Mike Edenfield]

On 3/25/2010 11:31 AM, Xi Shen wrote:
> hi,
> 
> when i try to emerge f-spot, i found that it pull in dev-lang/mon, and
> all its dependencies. why f-spot needs mono? since when mono becomes
> stable, and is used in real linux application?

F-Spot is written in C#.  C# is a CIL-only language, and requires the
Mono runtime to execute.

If you consider F-Spot a "real" Linux application, then clearly Mono is
used by "real" Linux applications.  The author of F-Spot, at least,
considered it stable enough to use.

If you don't consider Mono stable, you'll have to use something other
than F-Spot.  Unfortunately I don't know of an application for Linux
that does everything that F-Spot does, except maybe Picasa from Google?

--Mike

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Paul Hartman]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Mike Edenfield <kutulu@kutulu.org> wrote:
> On 3/25/2010 11:31 AM, Xi Shen wrote:
>> hi,
>>
>> when i try to emerge f-spot, i found that it pull in dev-lang/mon, and
>> all its dependencies. why f-spot needs mono? since when mono becomes
>> stable, and is used in real linux application?
>
> F-Spot is written in C#.  C# is a CIL-only language, and requires the
> Mono runtime to execute.
>
> If you consider F-Spot a "real" Linux application, then clearly Mono is
> used by "real" Linux applications.  The author of F-Spot, at least,
> considered it stable enough to use.
>
> If you don't consider Mono stable, you'll have to use something other
> than F-Spot.  Unfortunately I don't know of an application for Linux
> that does everything that F-Spot does, except maybe Picasa from Google?

DigiKam is great (if you don't mind KDE libs in your system).

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Xi Shen]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Paul Hartman
<paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> DigiKam is great (if you don't mind KDE libs in your system).
>

yeah, digikam is great. i tried it on kde. but i am using gnome, and i
want to keep my system compact.


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David Shen

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Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 26 März 2010, Xi Shen wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Paul Hartman
> 
> <paul.hartman+gentoo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > DigiKam is great (if you don't mind KDE libs in your system).
> 
> yeah, digikam is great. i tried it on kde. but i am using gnome, and i
> want to keep my system compact.

well, in that case you are using the wrong desktop.

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:37:04 +0800, Xi Shen wrote:

> yeah, digikam is great. i tried it on kde. but i am using gnome, and i
> want to keep my system compact.

Then why are you using GNOME?


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Unsolicited advice is the junk mail of life

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Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Xi Shen]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:37:04 +0800, Xi Shen wrote:
>
>> yeah, digikam is great. i tried it on kde. but i am using gnome, and i
>> want to keep my system compact.
>
> Then why are you using GNOME?
>
>


so, you mean kde is more compact than gnome? but i found it took me
much longer time to build kde than to build gnome.

actually, i were using kde for a while, and just want to switch to
gnome to see how the system works. anyway, many other linux distros
use gnome as the standard desktop, i think there's a reason.


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David Shen

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Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Renat Golubchyk]

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 10:07:08 +0800 Xi Shen <davidshen84@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:37:04 +0800, Xi Shen wrote:
> >
> >> yeah, digikam is great. i tried it on kde. but i am using gnome,
> >> and i want to keep my system compact.
> >
> > Then why are you using GNOME?
> >
> 
> so, you mean kde is more compact than gnome? but i found it took me
> much longer time to build kde than to build gnome.

He means, why are you using GNOME if you want a compact system. Neither
KDE nor GNOME are compact.

> actually, i were using kde for a while, and just want to switch to
> gnome to see how the system works. anyway, many other linux distros
> use gnome as the standard desktop, i think there's a reason.

There is one, but it has more to do with tradition, licensing, or who
runs the project than anything else. There are popular distros using
KDE as default, and there are ones that use GNOME. And then there
are some that use XFCE or something different. And then there are
distros that don't have a default, like Gentoo for example. So that's a
non-argument. ;-)


Cheers,
Renat

-- 
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durch die sie entstanden sind.
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Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 26 März 2010, Xi Shen wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 07:37:04 +0800, Xi Shen wrote:
> >> yeah, digikam is great. i tried it on kde. but i am using gnome, and i
> >> want to keep my system compact.
> > 
> > Then why are you using GNOME?
> 
> so, you mean kde is more compact than gnome? but i found it took me
> much longer time to build kde than to build gnome.
> 
> actually, i were using kde for a while, and just want to switch to
> gnome to see how the system works. anyway, many other linux distros
> use gnome as the standard desktop, i think there's a reason.

Novell took over Ximian - a gnome company. Then Suse - and tried to kill KDE 
in Suse.
Redhat always was gnome shop for no good reasons at all. Also many KDE haters 
there.
Debian used gnome in the past for licencing reasons. Today they should use KDE 
for licencing reasons. No reason at all to use gnome.
Ubuntu uses just what debian uses. Because they are leeches.

If you want a free* system, gnome is not a choice.



*free as defined by FSF - unrelated to freedom,

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Damian]

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Xi Shen <davidshen84@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Jacob Todd <jaketodd422@gmail.com> wrote:
>> F-spot is written in mono.
>
> oh...what a hell of mistake i made.
>
> so, what do people do to manage photos on gnome? i do not like this mono one.
I use geequie: http://geeqie.sourceforge.net/. I don't know about mono
features, but this image viewer is quite decent. It is a fork of
gqview.

HTH.

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:39:51 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

> Redhat always was gnome shop for no good reasons at all.

Wasn't it because of the not-very-free licensing of QT at the time?

-- 
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A man needs a mistress - just to break the monogamy

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Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Volker Armin Hemmann]

On Freitag 26 März 2010, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:39:51 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Redhat always was gnome shop for no good reasons at all.
> 
> Wasn't it because of the not-very-free licensing of QT at the time?

and that was how many years ago? They also had no qualms about other non-free 
stuff. 

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 27 March 2010 00:57:31 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:39:51 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> > Redhat always was gnome shop for no good reasons at all.
> 
> Wasn't it because of the not-very-free licensing of QT at the time?

No, that was the FSF's beef. As Volker said, Red Hat have never had a problem 
with proprietary bits. Personally I think they are just being pragmatic.

RH probably chose Gnome as it is easier to ship a fully working out-the-box 
system with gnome. KDE has too many knobs


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 02:50:40 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:

> > > Redhat always was gnome shop for no good reasons at all.  
> > 
> > Wasn't it because of the not-very-free licensing of QT at the time?  
> 
> and that was how many years ago?

Inertia has no sell by date :(


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Neil Bothwick

She's fine, upstanding, and wonderful laying down.

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Re: [gentoo-user] f-spot depends on mono?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 27 Mar 2010 08:48:22 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> RH probably chose Gnome as it is easier to ship a fully working
> out-the-box system with gnome. KDE has too many knobs

Once they'd picked GNOME, for whatever reason, it made sense to stick
with it or their support costs would rise with no increase in income.
When you're making a commercially supported distro, the "pick one of
each" approach, as used by Ubuntu, makes a lot of sense.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Conclusion: the place where you got tired of thinking.

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