[gentoo-user] portage problem

[gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables as I
find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I built a
lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the error
message reads:

 *  The die message:
 *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".

asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.  Could one of you wiser
heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually need
rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I just
need to know what to rebuild.  I tried asking emerge what the dependencies
of kopete were, but since the qt things are already installed, that didn't
work too well for me.

Sure would appreciate some help here.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Vladimir Rusinov]

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On 3/14/08, Chuck Robey <chuckr@chuckr.org> wrote:
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> I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables as I
> find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
> kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I built a
> lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the error
> message reads:
>
>   *  The die message:
>   *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".


asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.


Are you really shure that you don't have qt3 installed?
You CAN'T build kde3 without qt3.

Could one of you wiser
> heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually need
> rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I just
> need to know what to rebuild.


Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse kde-meta` (or
emerge -uDN kde-meta)

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UNIX Admin @ Murano Software

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Vladimir Rusinov wrote:
> 
> 
> On 3/14/08, *Chuck Robey* <chuckr@chuckr.org <mailto:chuckr@chuckr.org>>
> wrote:
> 
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>     I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables
>     as I
>     find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
>     kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I built a
>     lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the error
>     message reads:
> 
>       *  The die message:
>       *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
> 
> 
>     asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
> 
> 
> Are you really shure that you don't have qt3 installed?
> You CAN'T build kde3 without qt3.
> 
>     Could one of you wiser
>     heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually
>     need
>     rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I
>     just
>     need to know what to rebuild. 
> 
> 
> Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
> Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse kde-meta`
> (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
> 

You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and 4, and
if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem, but I am
trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such emerge package
named like this, at least, none I can find, none 'emerge -s qt-3*' could
find either.  If you could identify for me what the heck the real package
name is, I would gladly rebuild it.  I'm  not having trouble with the
command line, I'm having trouble finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.

> -- 
> Vladimir Rusinov
> Voronezh, Russia
> UNIX Admin @ Murano Software

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chris Brennan]

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reemerge x11-libs/qt with the qt3support *AND* opengl flags, qt-4.3
merged qt-3 into the qt-4 src-tree


Leviathan ~ # emerge -vp qt
~ * Mounting 850M of memory to /var/tmp/portage ...
~                                                          [ ok ]
~ * emerging -vp qt

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1  USE="cups dbus gif glib jpeg mng
mysql opengl png qt3support ssl tiff xinerama zlib -accessibility -debug
- -doc -examples (-firebird) -nas -nis -odbc -pch -postgres -sqlite
- -sqlite3" INPUT_DEVICES="-wacom" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
~ * unmounting tmpfs ...
~                                                          [ ok ]
Leviathan ~ #


Also, make sure you have done a emerge --sync recently to make sure your
portage tree is current.

Chuck Robey wrote:
| Vladimir Rusinov wrote:
|
|> On 3/14/08, *Chuck Robey* <chuckr@chuckr.org <mailto:chuckr@chuckr.org>>
|> wrote:
|
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|>     I am trying to install kde-meta. I have been fixing my USE variables
|>     as I
|>     find mistakes, and apprently, from this error I got (while building
|>     kde-base/kopete-3.5.8) I was missing the opengl variable while I
built a
|>     lot of stuff, and it wants me to rebuild some qt things, but the
error
|>     message reads:
|
|>       *  The die message:
|>       *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
|
|
|>     asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
|
|
|> Are you really shure that you don't have qt3 installed?
|> You CAN'T build kde3 without qt3.
|
|>     Could one of you wiser
|>     heads take a look and see if you can figure out what things actually
|>     need
|>     rebuilding?  I know about the --update --newuse flags, so (I hope) I
|>     just
|>     need to know what to rebuild.
|
|
|> Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
|> Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse kde-meta`
|> (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
|
|
| You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and 4, and
| if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem, but I am
| trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such emerge package
| named like this, at least, none I can find, none 'emerge -s qt-3*' could
| find either.  If you could identify for me what the heck the real package
| name is, I would gladly rebuild it.  I'm  not having trouble with the
| command line, I'm having trouble finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.
|
|> --
|> Vladimir Rusinov
|> Voronezh, Russia
|> UNIX Admin @ Murano Software
|
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 14 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote:
> Vladimir Rusinov wrote:

> > Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
> > Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse
> > kde-meta` (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
>
> You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and
> 4, and if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem,
> but I am trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such
> emerge package named like this, at least, none I can find, none
> 'emerge -s qt-3*' could find either.  If you could identify for me
> what the heck the real package name is, I would gladly rebuild it. 
> I'm  not having trouble with the command line, I'm having trouble
> finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.

qt is SLOTted, I think you are simply using the wrong syntax. Using my 
machine as an example (you should also emerge eix, it's so much easier 
and quicker than emerge -s):


alan@nazgul ~/bin $ eix -e qt
[I] x11-libs/qt
     Available versions:
        (3)     3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
        (4)     4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 (~)4.3.4 [M](~)4.4.0_beta1

The SLOTs are "3" and "4"

If I try to update qt, portage will update qt4 as it's the latest 
version. I would have to do something like 

emerge =qt-3.3.8-r4
or the newish syntax incorporating SLOTs
emerge qt:3

You were essentially trying to tell portage to update a package 
called "qt-3", there is no such package. And getting to grips with 
emerge's version number syntax can be a bitch

Does this answer your query?

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Friday 14 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote:
>> Vladimir Rusinov wrote:
> 
>>> Just add opengl to your use flags and `emerge -v1 =x11-libs/qt-3*`
>>> Then, you'll probably need `emerge --update --deep --newuse
>>> kde-meta` (or emerge -uDN kde-meta)
>> You aren't understanding me.  I am fully aware of qt versions 3 and
>> 4, and if I was gbuilding them on my own, this wouldn't be a problem,
>> but I am trying to use the portage system, and there isnt'any such
>> emerge package named like this, at least, none I can find, none
>> 'emerge -s qt-3*' could find either.  If you could identify for me
>> what the heck the real package name is, I would gladly rebuild it. 
>> I'm  not having trouble with the command line, I'm having trouble
>> finding the cirrect thing to rebuild.
> 
> qt is SLOTted, I think you are simply using the wrong syntax. Using my 
> machine as an example (you should also emerge eix, it's so much easier 
> and quicker than emerge -s):
> 
> 
> alan@nazgul ~/bin $ eix -e qt
> [I] x11-libs/qt
>      Available versions:
>         (3)     3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
>         (4)     4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 (~)4.3.4 [M](~)4.4.0_beta1
> 
> The SLOTs are "3" and "4"
> 
> If I try to update qt, portage will update qt4 as it's the latest 
> version. I would have to do something like 
> 
> emerge =qt-3.3.8-r4
> or the newish syntax incorporating SLOTs
> emerge qt:3
> 
> You were essentially trying to tell portage to update a package 
> called "qt-3", there is no such package. And getting to grips with 
> emerge's version number syntax can be a bitch
> 
> Does this answer your query?
> 

Comes very, very close.  I wasn't aware of slots.  I just went agoogling,
found several explanations of what it is in Gentoo docs (and read them) but
haven't found any explanation of how to use them (what tools, what syntax?
 I need to say, slots seem a great idea (depends on the abilities I see,
when I can locate the syntax).

Is there maybe something written up NOT on how to create a slotted package,
but how to sreach for particular slots being available, being filled by
what candidate, how to call a particular candidate to be built, etc.

I should note, one of my biggest hot buttons in documentation is the
unfortunate trend towards using _only_ examples.  Examples after giving the
full syntax are great, but examples alone are just enouigh to frustrate,
because your actual need is almost never what is exampled, and many folks
seem to think that one example is really all folks need.  Please, those of
you reading this, don''t let yourself fall into that trap, because an
example or tweo after the syntax is great, but a example or two ONLY is
inviting users to have to pester you forever.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:

>  *  The die message:
>  *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
> 
> asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.

It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote
the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.

emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'


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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
> 
>>  *  The die message:
>>  *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
>>
>> asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
> 
> It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
> version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote
> the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.
> 
> emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'

Thanks,  That's what i was after (although my curiosity is going to be
looking to see what gets selected).  The reply I got from the other fellow,
on SLOTs, was really interesting, but I haven't found out how to use slots
yet, just that they do seem a great idea.

Your reply, OTOH, showed me how to go forward, and I thank you.

> 
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Dale]

Chuck Robey wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
>
> >>  *  The die message:
> >>  *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
> >>
> >> asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
> > It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
> > version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should 
> quote
> > the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.
>
> > emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'
>
> Thanks,  That's what i was after (although my curiosity is going to be
> looking to see what gets selected).  The reply I got from the other 
> fellow,
> on SLOTs, was really interesting, but I haven't found out how to use slots
> yet, just that they do seem a great idea.
>
> Your reply, OTOH, showed me how to go forward, and I thank you.
>
>
>

I'm going to shoot up a flare but I may not be able to shoot it in a way 
that will visible.  Look as close as you can.  ;-)

Example:

KDE.  There is currently two versions of KDE available.  We have the 
stable and widely used KDE 3 and the unstable KDE 4.  Even if KDE 4 was 
not masked and was stable, you could still have KDE 3 and KDE 4 on the 
same system at the same time.  You could use KDE 3, log out of it then 
select KDE 4 and log into the new KDE 4.  KDE is slotted.  Slotted just 
basically means you can have two versions of the same package(s) on the 
same system at the same time.

Back to the qt thing you are dealing with.  I check this way but there 
are other ways to do this. 

root@smoker / # equery list qt
[ Searching for package 'qt' in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
[I--] [  ] dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old-0.70 (0)
[I--] [  ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (3)
[I--] [  ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (4)
root@smoker / #

I have qt3 and qt4 on here.  Can't recall what pulled in qt4 at the 
moment but they coexist very well.  Note the (3) and (4) on the end 
there?  That's what tells you it is slotted.  If a program needs qt3 
then it uses it.  If it needs qt4 then it can use it.  If you want to 
re-emerge qt3 manually, you can do it this way.  emerge 
=x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 will emerge qt3.  Emerge knows to do qt3 because 
there is a equal sign in front that tells it the specific version you 
want to emerge.  If you just type in emerge qt, it will emerge the 
highest version available but not the qt3 version.

So, does this help any?  Somebody speak up if I am mistaken somewhere. 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Dale wrote:
> Chuck Robey wrote:
>> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> > On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
>>
>> >>  *  The die message:
>> >>  *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
>> >>
>> >> asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
>> > It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
>> > version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should
>> quote
>> > the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.
>>
>> > emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'
>>
>> Thanks,  That's what i was after (although my curiosity is going to be
>> looking to see what gets selected).  The reply I got from the other
>> fellow,
>> on SLOTs, was really interesting, but I haven't found out how to use
>> slots
>> yet, just that they do seem a great idea.
>>
>> Your reply, OTOH, showed me how to go forward, and I thank you.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> I'm going to shoot up a flare but I may not be able to shoot it in a way
> that will visible.  Look as close as you can.  ;-)
> 
> Example:
> 
> KDE.  There is currently two versions of KDE available.  We have the
> stable and widely used KDE 3 and the unstable KDE 4.  Even if KDE 4 was
> not masked and was stable, you could still have KDE 3 and KDE 4 on the
> same system at the same time.  You could use KDE 3, log out of it then
> select KDE 4 and log into the new KDE 4.  KDE is slotted.  Slotted just
> basically means you can have two versions of the same package(s) on the
> same system at the same time.
> 
> Back to the qt thing you are dealing with.  I check this way but there
> are other ways to do this.
> root@smoker / # equery list qt
> [ Searching for package 'qt' in all categories among: ]
> * installed packages
> [I--] [  ] dev-libs/dbus-qt3-old-0.70 (0)
> [I--] [  ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 (3)
> [I--] [  ] x11-libs/qt-4.3.2-r1 (4)
> root@smoker / #
> 
> I have qt3 and qt4 on here.  Can't recall what pulled in qt4 at the
> moment but they coexist very well.  Note the (3) and (4) on the end
> there?  That's what tells you it is slotted.  If a program needs qt3
> then it uses it.  If it needs qt4 then it can use it.  If you want to
> re-emerge qt3 manually, you can do it this way.  emerge
> =x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4 will emerge qt3.  Emerge knows to do qt3 because
> there is a equal sign in front that tells it the specific version you
> want to emerge.  If you just type in emerge qt, it will emerge the
> highest version available but not the qt3 version.
> 
> So, does this help any?  Somebody speak up if I am mistaken somewhere.
> Dale
> 

It's certainly an aid, at least the bottom part (like i'd said, I;d foound
several different Gentoo docs giving me descriptions of what slots are, so
I knew that, just that there seem to be no docs anywhere I can locate IN
Gentoo that tell you HOW to use slots.  So, now I know that the parens
signal the slot info, but how do I choose them, select one over anther, adn
even to search for them in emerge?  You gave nice examples, but do you see
why I so much dislike examples when they come INSTEAD OF the full syntax
description?  Cause then you only learn what the example wants to show, and
people don't present exhaustive examples, because (reasonably enough)
examples aren't meant to be exhaustive, that's what the syntax explanations
are for.  I just wish that a rule would be promulgated in Gentoo
documentation that no one could be allowed to present an example unless
they'd gotten out a syntax explanation first.  It won't happen, but I wish
it would.

> :-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Dale]

Chuck Robey wrote:
>
> It's certainly an aid, at least the bottom part (like i'd said, I;d foound
> several different Gentoo docs giving me descriptions of what slots are, so
> I knew that, just that there seem to be no docs anywhere I can locate IN
> Gentoo that tell you HOW to use slots.  So, now I know that the parens
> signal the slot info, but how do I choose them, select one over 
> anther, adn
> even to search for them in emerge?  You gave nice examples, but do you see
> why I so much dislike examples when they come INSTEAD OF the full syntax
> description?  Cause then you only learn what the example wants to 
> show, and
> people don't present exhaustive examples, because (reasonably enough)
> examples aren't meant to be exhaustive, that's what the syntax 
> explanations
> are for.  I just wish that a rule would be promulgated in Gentoo
> documentation that no one could be allowed to present an example unless
> they'd gotten out a syntax explanation first.  It won't happen, but I wish
> it would.
>
>

Well, what is sloted is determined by the devs not us.  I'm not sure 
that you can tell something to be slotted if it is not set up to be 
slotted.  So, you don't have to worry about how to make something 
slotted.  If it needs to be slotted, it will be done by the devs in the 
portage tree.

I use equery a lot myself.  Some use eix.  Your preference.  Use 
whichever you like.  To find out what version(s) of a package you have 
installed, just do a equery list foo and it will list the version(s) 
that are installed.  If you do a equery list -p foo then it will list 
what is installed followed by all the version(s) that are available.  
List means for it to list the ones installed.  The -p from my 
understanding means to list all the packages in portage.

I see your point about examples.  I try to give a example then explain 
what each function does when needed.  I sort of dislike the man pages 
too.  Most of them may as well be Greek.  No offense to the Greeks on 
this list tho. 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Uwe Thiem]

On Saturday 15 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote:

> It's certainly an aid, at least the bottom part (like i'd said, I;d
> foound several different Gentoo docs giving me descriptions of what
> slots are, so I knew that, just that there seem to be no docs
> anywhere I can locate IN Gentoo that tell you HOW to use slots. 
> So, now I know that the parens signal the slot info, but how do I
> choose them, select one over anther, adn even to search for them in
> emerge?  

*Sigh*  You are still confusing things here.

There are two completely different cases. Let's first look at an 
enduser package like KDE. Basically, there are two "active" slots at 
the moment: KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.0. Which one you use you can decide at 
the login screen under "session". If, on the other hand, you want to 
get rid of 3.5, you unmerge it (not recommended yet). With unslotted 
packages, older ones get automatically deleted when you emerge a new 
one. With slotted packages, it's left to you to decide to get rid of 
an older one.

There are other packages not of interest for endusers but necessary 
for emerging other packages. For example the autotools automake and 
autoconf. They are slotted as well. You better be *very* careful when 
unmerging one slot. Emerging one package needs version X of these 
tools, another version Y, and yet another one version Z. The packages 
to be emerged decide themselves which version of automake or autoconf 
they need.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:58:55 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
> 
>>  *  The die message:
>>  *   Please reemerge =x11-libs/qt-3* with USE="opengl".
>>
>> asks me to rebuild something that doesn't exist.
> 
> It does exist, the wildcard tells portage to install the latest 3
> version. Try doing what it says in the message, although you should quote
> the package atom to stop the shell trying to interpret the *.
> 
> emerge -1av '=x11-libs/qt-3*'
> 
> 

I didn't want to wear out my welcome. publicly, but one more question.
Using --update and --newuse, I just reinstalled qt last night.  This
morning, after someone suggested eix, I ran that, and got this:

june ~ # eix -e qt
[I] x11-libs/qt
     Available versions:
        (3)     3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
        (4)     4.3.2-r1 ~4.3.3 ~4.3.4 [M]~4.4.0_beta1
        {accessibility cups dbus debug doc examples firebird gif glib immqt
immqt-bc input_devices_wacom ipv6 jpeg mng mysql nas nis odbc opengl pch
png postgres qt3support sqlite sqlite3 ssl tiff xinerama zlib}
     Installed versions:  3.3.8-r4(3)(16:16:12 03/14/08)(cups doc examples
ipv6 opengl -debug -firebird -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc
- -postgres -sqlite -xinerama)
                          4.3.2-r1(4)(16:02:00 03/14/08)(cups dbus doc
examples jpeg opengl png ssl tiff zlib -accessibility -debug -firebird -gif
- -glib -input_devices_wacom -mng -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -pch -postgres
- -qt3support -sqlite -sqlite3 -xinerama)
     Homepage:            http://www.trolltech.com/
     Description:         The Qt toolkit is a comprehensive C++ application
development framework.

I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots, so I needed
to ignore all the slot stuff until I get some slot info (the man page for
both emerge and portatge are silent on slots, beyond one very slim
paragraph in emerge, which gave no syntax).  This morning, when I did the
cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me:


[ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4  USE="cups doc examples ipv6 opengl
- -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -postgres
- -sqlite -xinerama" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB

Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]

What the heck does it mean to merge these?

BTW, I did spend some time googling the answers, can't find anything
written on slot usage yet.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:

> I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots,

In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and similar
programs that are used by other programs. One program needs libfoo
1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both installed and
both programs are happy.

There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version they
want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version for
non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge command.

> This morning, when I
> did the cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me:
> 
> 
> [ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4  USE="cups doc examples ipv6 opengl
> - -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc
> -postgres
> - -sqlite -xinerama" 0 kB
> 
> Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
> 
> Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]
> 
> What the heck does it mean to merge these?

You ran emerge with the --ask parameter, so it shows you what it is going
to install then asks for confirmation before proceeding. In this case,
you can see there is no change of version or USE flags, so emerging it
again is unnecessary.


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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
> 
>> I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots,
> 
> In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and similar
> programs that are used by other programs. One program needs libfoo
> 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both installed and
> both programs are happy.
> 
> There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version they
> want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version for
> non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge command.
> 
>> This morning, when I
>> did the cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me:
>>
>>
>> [ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4  USE="cups doc examples ipv6 opengl
>> - -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc
>> -postgres
>> - -sqlite -xinerama" 0 kB
>>
>> Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
>>
>> Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]
>>
>> What the heck does it mean to merge these?
> 
> You ran emerge with the --ask parameter, so it shows you what it is going
> to install then asks for confirmation before proceeding. In this case,
> you can see there is no change of version or USE flags, so emerging it
> again is unnecessary.
> 
> 

I didn't think it was necessary to contradict you publicly, but I wasn't
even aware of the ask option, and I most certainly never have ever  used
it, with the exception of when others give me command lines to run for them.

I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I
didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, "merging"
it.  Never really penetrated my head.
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Chuck Robey wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
> 
>>> I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots,
>> In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and similar
>> programs that are used by other programs. One program needs libfoo
>> 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both installed and
>> both programs are happy.
> 
>> There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version they
>> want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version for
>> non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge command.
> 
>>> This morning, when I
>>> did the cut/paste of your command, it came back and asked me:
>>>
>>>
>>> [ebuild   R   ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.8-r4  USE="cups doc examples ipv6 opengl
>>> - -debug (-firebird) -gif -immqt -immqt-bc -mysql -nas -nis -odbc
>>> -postgres
>>> - -sqlite -xinerama" 0 kB
>>>
>>> Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
>>>
>>> Would you like to merge these packages? [Yes/No]
>>>
>>> What the heck does it mean to merge these?
>> You ran emerge with the --ask parameter, so it shows you what it is going
>> to install then asks for confirmation before proceeding. In this case,
>> you can see there is no change of version or USE flags, so emerging it
>> again is unnecessary.
> 
> 
> 
> I didn't think it was necessary to contradict you publicly, but I wasn't
> even aware of the ask option, and I most certainly never have ever  used
> it, with the exception of when others give me command lines to run for them.
> 
> I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I
> didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, "merging"
> it.  Never really penetrated my head.

Goddamn it, I sure didn;'t  mean this to go public, damnit.  Apologies all
around, please.  AAAARRGHHH!
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:54:52 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:

> I wasn't even aware of the ask option,

It is explained in the emerge man page.

> I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I
> didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, "merging"

As is this. You really need to read man emerge and man portage to
understand what you are doing.


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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 18:54:52 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
> 
>> I wasn't even aware of the ask option,
> 
> It is explained in the emerge man page.
> 
>> I think I realize now, that even thoughthe program name is emeerge, I
>> didn't realize you folks call the job of installing a program, "merging"
> 
> As is this. You really need to read man emerge and man portage to
> understand what you are doing.
> 
> 

I've read it 4 times already, I just donm['t have it memorized.  I did
check and prove that it doesn't even mention the word "slot"  I didn't
realize it would use the * key if you escaped it and fed it in.  I don't
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 16 Mar 2008 13:31:57 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:

> > As is this. You really need to read man emerge and man portage to
> > understand what you are doing.

> I've read it 4 times already, I just donm['t have it memorized.  I did
> check and prove that it doesn't even mention the word "slot" 

% man emerge | grep -ic slot
5

You don't need to memorise it, just get into the habit of reading the man
pages whenever something doesn't make sense to you.


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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 15 March 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
> > I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots,
>
> In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and
> similar programs that are used by other programs. One program needs
> libfoo 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both
> installed and both programs are happy.
>
> There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version
> they want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version
> for non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge
> command.

Just to expand on that a little (the info IS all in the various man 
pages, but it's not really laid out in a tutorial style so that people 
seeing it for the first time can wrap their brains around it):

As Neil says, SLOTs let you have two or more versions of the same thing 
so they co-exist. Usually, SLOTS are named after the major version 
number of the package, but not always. Take these two examples, using 
eix (with extra stuff like dates and USE flags snipped out):

[I] x11-libs/qt
     Available versions:
        (3)     3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
        (4)     4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 (~)4.3.4 [M](~)4.4.0_beta1
     Installed versions:  3.3.8-r4(3)
                          4.3.4(4)

This says in the "Available" section that there are two SLOTs for qt - 3 
and 4 - and there are several versions available in both branches. On 
my box, I have qt-3.3.8-r4 installed in the qt:3 SLOT and qt-4.3.2.-r1 
in the qt:4 SLOT. So far so good. Now look at kde:

* kde-base/kde-meta
     Available versions:
        (3.5)   3.5.8 (~)3.5.9
        (kde-4) {M}(~)4.0.1 {M}(~)4.0.2

This one is different, the SLOTs are called "3.5" and "kde-4", and I 
don't have the full kde range installed for either. I find that eix's 
output is the easiest way to determine which SLOTs are defined, the 
colourized output lays it out quite nicely.

Portage handles SLOT updates by only considering the latest SLOT (unless 
you say otherwise). If I issue 'emerge kde-meta' on my box, portage 
wants to install kde-4.0.2 because that is the latest version (portage 
always wants to upgrade to the latest possible version even without 
SLOTs being involved). To update an earlier SLOT I have to use a minor 
syntax tweak:

emerge kde-meta:3.5

The ":" is the signal to look for a SLOT. Portage will update to the 
highest version in the 3.5 SLOT which happens to be 3.5.9 for me. 
(Aside: all we need do now is hope and pray that no package ever gets 
a : in it's name ... )

Quite obviously, in my case the following two commands are identical:

emerge kde-meta
emerge kde-meta:kde-4

In summary, the SLOT syntax is just a sensible extension of how portage 
deals with ranges of versions. Compare these and it all makes sense:

emerge foo
emerge >foo-1.0.0
emerge <=foo-2.3.4
emerge foo:1
emerge foo:2

Hope all this helps and it now makes a little more sense :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> <<SNIP>>
> Portage handles SLOT updates by only considering the latest SLOT (unless 
> you say otherwise). If I issue 'emerge kde-meta' on my box, portage 
> wants to install kde-4.0.2 because that is the latest version (portage 
> always wants to upgrade to the latest possible version even without 
> SLOTs being involved). To update an earlier SLOT I have to use a minor 
> syntax tweak:
>
> emerge kde-meta:3.5
>
> The ":" is the signal to look for a SLOT. Portage will update to the 
> highest version in the 3.5 SLOT which happens to be 3.5.9 for me. 
> (Aside: all we need do now is hope and pray that no package ever gets 
> a : in it's name ... )
>
> Quite obviously, in my case the following two commands are identical:
>
> emerge kde-meta
> emerge kde-meta:kde-4
>
> In summary, the SLOT syntax is just a sensible extension of how portage 
> deals with ranges of versions. Compare these and it all makes sense:
>
> emerge foo
> emerge >foo-1.0.0
> emerge <=foo-2.3.4
> emerge foo:1
> emerge foo:2
>
> Hope all this helps and it now makes a little more sense :-)
>
>
>   

I learned something today.  I didn't know about the *:* for slots.  
That's pretty cool.  ;-)

I hope I don't forget what I learned today.   :-(

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Chuck Robey]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 15 March 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 12:13:05 -0400, Chuck Robey wrote:
>>> I haven't been able to find any syntax to actually use slots,
>> In general, you don't. Slots are mainly used for libraries and
>> similar programs that are used by other programs. One program needs
>> libfoo 1.x,another needs libfoo 2.x. Slots enable you to have both
>> installed and both programs are happy.
>>
>> There are a few slotted packages where a user decides which version
>> they want, but this is done is the same way as specifying the version
>> for non-slotted packages, by specifying the version in the emerge
>> command.
> 
> Just to expand on that a little (the info IS all in the various man 
> pages, but it's not really laid out in a tutorial style so that people 
> seeing it for the first time can wrap their brains around it):
> 
> As Neil says, SLOTs let you have two or more versions of the same thing 
> so they co-exist. Usually, SLOTS are named after the major version 
> number of the package, but not always. Take these two examples, using 
> eix (with extra stuff like dates and USE flags snipped out):
> 
> [I] x11-libs/qt
>      Available versions:
>         (3)     3.3.4-r8 3.3.8-r4
>         (4)     4.3.2-r1 (~)4.3.3 (~)4.3.4 [M](~)4.4.0_beta1
>      Installed versions:  3.3.8-r4(3)
>                           4.3.4(4)
> 
> This says in the "Available" section that there are two SLOTs for qt - 3 
> and 4 - and there are several versions available in both branches. On 
> my box, I have qt-3.3.8-r4 installed in the qt:3 SLOT and qt-4.3.2.-r1 
> in the qt:4 SLOT. So far so good. Now look at kde:
> 
> * kde-base/kde-meta
>      Available versions:
>         (3.5)   3.5.8 (~)3.5.9
>         (kde-4) {M}(~)4.0.1 {M}(~)4.0.2
> 
> This one is different, the SLOTs are called "3.5" and "kde-4", and I 
> don't have the full kde range installed for either. I find that eix's 
> output is the easiest way to determine which SLOTs are defined, the 
> colourized output lays it out quite nicely.
> 
> Portage handles SLOT updates by only considering the latest SLOT (unless 
> you say otherwise). If I issue 'emerge kde-meta' on my box, portage 
> wants to install kde-4.0.2 because that is the latest version (portage 
> always wants to upgrade to the latest possible version even without 
> SLOTs being involved). To update an earlier SLOT I have to use a minor 
> syntax tweak:
> 
> emerge kde-meta:3.5
> 
> The ":" is the signal to look for a SLOT. Portage will update to the 
> highest version in the 3.5 SLOT which happens to be 3.5.9 for me. 
> (Aside: all we need do now is hope and pray that no package ever gets 
> a : in it's name ... )
> 
> Quite obviously, in my case the following two commands are identical:
> 
> emerge kde-meta
> emerge kde-meta:kde-4
> 
> In summary, the SLOT syntax is just a sensible extension of how portage 
> deals with ranges of versions. Compare these and it all makes sense:
> 
> emerge foo
> emerge >foo-1.0.0
> emerge <=foo-2.3.4
> emerge foo:1
> emerge foo:2
> 
> Hope all this helps and it now makes a little more sense :-)
> 
> 

It certainly does!  AND I found that there IS one document that tells you
more than a fleeting hint about slots: the eix man page.  Someone else sort
of snidely said "you should read the emerge man page" after giving me (once
again) description of slots without giving me any way to USE them ... as if
I hadn't read that emerge man page again and again, and let me tell you, it
gives nothing whatever on slots.  Well, now, after reading this, AND the
eix man page, I think I will know enough to begin to be dangerous :-)

I was getting SO bored of getting descriptions of what a slot is, but never
being given any way to access that grand thing called a SLOT.  Now,
finally, someone has handed me a slotted screwdriver!
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 16 March 2008, Chuck Robey wrote:
> It certainly does!  AND I found that there IS one document that tells
> you more than a fleeting hint about slots: the eix man page.  Someone
> else sort of snidely said "you should read the emerge man page" after
> giving me (once again) description of slots without giving me any way
> to USE them ... as if I hadn't read that emerge man page again and
> again, and let me tell you, it gives nothing whatever on slots.
>  Well, now, after reading this, AND the eix man page, I think I will
> know enough to begin to be dangerous :-)

I think it was me that gave you that snide comment <blush>. Oops...

I had a little think about this and what I've concluded is that those of 
us using gentoo for months/years without a break confront these things 
little by little as they get introduced. One new change a week is 
something we can easily absorb without thinking twice and eventually we 
amass this HUGE collection of facts and we are comfortable with it. So 
far so good.

Someone new to Gentoo comes along, or returns after a few years away. 
Lots has changed, and we all tell you to RTFM because the answer "is so 
bloody obvious ... sheesh, get a clue dude" or similar. What that 
reduces to though is that the oldies expect the newbies to absorb in a 
day what took the oldie a few months. 

Not only is it unfair, it's a totally unreasonable thing to expect. I 
shall make a mental note for myself for future use.

Meanwhile, something good you could do meanwhile is go over to 
bugs.gentoo.org and submit a new bug under the "docs" section. Briefly 
summarize what docs you read and what lack of data you found on SLOTs 
and ask the documentation maintainers to expand the description of 
SLOTs. Give it from the viewpoint of someone who doesn't know portage 
well so they can see where you reasonably went looking and what you 
expected to find but that was missing



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[gentoo-user] Portage Problem

[Timothy A. Holmes]

Hi folks -- I put this one out on #gentoo earlier and no-one had a
solution but im hoping someone here might have one!!!!


I am trying to install JFFNMS, as part of its dependancies, it wants to
install php4.4.2, however the computer already has PHP5 installed and
running nicely. 

Is there a way to install JFFNMS without installing php4 and have it use
php5 properly?

thanks

TIM


Timothy A. Holmes
IT Manager / Network Admin / Web Master / Computer Teacher
 
Medina Christian Academy
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Re: [gentoo-user] Portage Problem

[Patrick Börjesson]

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On 2006-03-14 16:47, Timothy A. Holmes uttered these thoughts:
> I am trying to install JFFNMS, as part of its dependancies, it wants to
> install php4.4.2, however the computer already has PHP5 installed and
> running nicely. 
> 
> Is there a way to install JFFNMS without installing php4 and have it use
> php5 properly?

That depends entirely on if JFFNMS runs on php5 or not... I'd guess that
if it's trying to draw in php4 as a dependency when you already have
php5 installed, it's probably not running on php4 reliably yet, in which
case you'll have to make some choises...
- If you don't really need php5, you just install php4 and unmerge php5
  (and mask it if it's getting dragged in by emerge again).
- If you want to run both php4 and php5, read this:
  http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/php/php4-php5-configuration.xml
- Or you edit the ebuild for JFFNMS to not have a depencency for <php5
  and try out running it on php5 instead... Probably wont work since
  either the maintainer or developers of JFFNMS has tried running it (or
  knows it wont run) on php5. 


Regards,
Patrick Börjesson

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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Martin Gysel]

Zac Medico schrieb:
> Martin Gysel wrote:
>>> hi
>>> i have following problem emerging packages:
>>>
>>> gorilla ~ # emerge portage
>>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "/usr/bin/emerge", line 3263, in ?
>>>     if "resume" in portage.mtimedb and \
>>> KeyError: 'mergelist'
> 
> There are instructions to apply a patch that corrects the problem here:
> 
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993#c1
> 
> Zac


Thanks Zac, it's working!!!

Martin
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[gentoo-user] portage problem

[Martin Gysel]

hi
i have following problem emerging packages:

gorilla ~ # emerge portage
Calculating dependencies... done!
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/emerge", line 3263, in ?
    if "resume" in portage.mtimedb and \
KeyError: 'mergelist'

can someone please help me

regards
martin
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Re: [gentoo-user] portage problem

[Zac Medico]

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Martin Gysel wrote:
> hi
> i have following problem emerging packages:
> 
> gorilla ~ # emerge portage
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/emerge", line 3263, in ?
>     if "resume" in portage.mtimedb and \
> KeyError: 'mergelist'

There are instructions to apply a patch that corrects the problem here:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=125993#c1

Zac
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