[gentoo-user] kompozer and arphicfonts

[gentoo-user] kompozer and arphicfonts

[Zhang Weiwu]

Hello.

I was a Gentoo user some 2.5 years ago and was very fond of it because 
it updates frequently and includes newer versions of applications into 
portage faster than other distributions. Later I switched away to
Ubuntu for working environment reasons (colleagues are using Ubuntu and
I got support / communication easier).

Now I just switch back to Gentoo and discovered, well, I am not sure
but looks a bit lag behind on updating portage. I only noticed two
examples:

	1. Development for NVU wysiwyg editor has stalled for some 
	   years, the other project continued its development called 
	   "kompozer". Ubuntu has it there but I cannot find it in 
	   Gentoo.
	2. The other package arphicfonts are not developed for years 
	   neither, a continue effort is the CJK Unifont project. In 
	   Gentoo still there are only old packages. The new project 
	   produce Chinese font that is used as default Chinese font in 
	   Ubuntu.

Both new projects started after I switched away from Gentoo some 
2 years ago, so it seems Gentoo didn't catch up. Maybe I am completely 
wrong: I am sensative to these packages just because I am a Chinese
user and these two packages happen to improved for Chinese users a lot; 
meanwhile there might be a lot other packages newly included in Gentoo 
but overlooked by other distributions. But just how do you feel 
generally?  Is the portage keeping following up slower then before?

By the way I can compile these packages myself and I can contribut 
ebuilds when I got some free time (e.g. in the coming holiday). I am 
just a bit curious on how everything is generally going on in Portage.

Zhang Weiwu

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Re: [gentoo-user] kompozer and arphicfonts

[Zhang Le]

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Zhang Weiwu wrote:
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| Now I just switch back to Gentoo and discovered, well, I am not sure
| but looks a bit lag behind on updating portage. I only noticed two
| examples:
| 	2. The other package arphicfonts are not developed for years
| 	   neither, a continue effort is the CJK Unifont project. In
| 	   Gentoo still there are only old packages. The new project
| 	   produce Chinese font that is used as default Chinese font in
| 	   Ubuntu.

Actually more people are using Simsun or Yahei from Windoze for pragmatic reasons.
Also you can try wqy-bitmapfont.

| By the way I can compile these packages myself and I can contribut
| ebuilds when I got some free time (e.g. in the coming holiday). I am
| just a bit curious on how everything is generally going on in Portage.

AFAIK, Gentoo CJK team is short-staffed.
It's better if you can join gentoo and become a developer, ;)

If you want to know how everything is going on in portage, you can check either:
http://packages.gentoo.org
or:
http://cia.vc/stats/project/gentoo

Ad time, ;)
If you have some Chinese related questions, you can easily get an answer here:
http://groups.google.com/group/gentoo-china/
http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/forum59.html
Also #gentoo-cn on freenode

Regards,

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Re: [gentoo-user] kompozer and arphicfonts

[Zhang Weiwu]

On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 19:30:23 +0100
Zhang Le <r0bertz@gentoo.org> wrote:

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> Zhang Weiwu wrote:
> |
> | Now I just switch back to Gentoo and discovered, well, I am not sure
> | but looks a bit lag behind on updating portage. I only noticed two
> | examples:
> | 	2. The other package arphicfonts are not developed for years
> | 	   neither, a continue effort is the CJK Unifont project. In
> | 	   Gentoo still there are only old packages. The new project
> | 	   produce Chinese font that is used as default Chinese font in 
> | 	   Ubuntu.
> 
> Actually more people are using Simsun or Yahei from Windoze for
> pragmatic reasons. Also you can try wqy-bitmapfont.

Yes I knew Simsun, Yahei. My suggestion is if there is an opensource 
Chinese font with reasonably wide coverage, it should be there for those 
who want to have it.

ghostscript-gpl when added "cjk" USE flag, would depend on the years-old 
arpphic fonts, the best behavior is either tell users to use 
Yahei/Simsun or use the latest CJK Unifont, not providing the latest 
enhanced opensource font is pratcially encouraging users to copy 
propiertry fonts. I think CJK Unifont project has done a lot of hinting 
work to make it look nice on screen and now it's much more usable on 
desktop then old arpphic font, it's making sense to avoid user install 
an old font and say "oh, opensource fonts looks bad" and then go copy 
the Windows fonts, when they actually got the outdated fonts.

wqy-bitmap is in an other category. It's usable on the screen but not on 
word processing. I am using it right now as my default screen font:) 
Thanks for having it in portage.
 
> | By the way I can compile these packages myself and I can contribute
> | ebuilds when I got some free time (e.g. in the coming holiday). I am
> | just a bit curious on how everything is generally going on in
> | Portage.
> 
> AFAIK, Gentoo CJK team is short-staffed.
> It's better if you can join gentoo and become a developer, ;)
> 
> If you want to know how everything is going on in portage, you can
> check either: http://packages.gentoo.org
> or:
> http://cia.vc/stats/project/gentoo
> 
> Ad time, ;)
> If you have some Chinese related questions, you can easily get an
> answer here: http://groups.google.com/group/gentoo-china/
> http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/forum59.html
> Also #gentoo-cn on freenode

Thanks for the information. I'll see what I can do in the coming spring 
festival and see if I can help.

Best regards
Zhang Weiwu
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