[gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Alan McKinnon]

Built KDE4 last night, it took about 4.5 hours total and built without 
failures. To be safe, I created a new user for testing purposes and 
logged out of my own account. I use entrance as my dm and I find an 
entry for kde-4 in the list of sessions available. So far so good.

First impression: kde4 starts up fast. I had gotten used to waiting up 
to 30 seconds for the splash screen to get through everything it needs 
to.

Konsole works, both 3.5 and 4.0 I don;t get the slow scrolling issue 
another user reported.
Konqueror works, now I have to recreate my custom settings that I have 
grown used to.
Kontact works properly and so does the kmail component.
kmail on it's own does not work. wtf is up with that anyway?
kopete, amarok all work.

The oxygen theme is a vast improvement over Plastik.
I'm still undecided about the default menu, it looks a little in the 
style of XP which I can't stand. I know it''s not the same and maybe 
just a knee-jerk so I'm holding off before coming to an opinion.

All in all, a very nice point-0 point-0 release. After using it for a 
few hours, I can understand what all the hype was about :-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Brian Marshall]

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:42:17 +0200
Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:

> 
> I'm still undecided about the default menu, it looks a little in the 
> style of XP which I can't stand. I know it''s not the same and maybe 
> just a knee-jerk so I'm holding off before coming to an opinion.
> 
> 
Um, it looks nothing like XP's -- Vista would be an apter comparison.
(The KMenu in KDE 3 definitely resembled XP though.) KDE has always
taken after Windows in a lot of design choices anyway.


	Brian

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Monday 21 January 2008 09:42:17 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Kontact works properly and so does the kmail component.
> kmail on it's own does not work. wtf is up with that anyway?

erm... kdepim (including kontact and kmail) wasn't released with kde 4.0.0 at 
all...

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 22 January 2008, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Monday 21 January 2008 09:42:17 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Kontact works properly and so does the kmail component.
> > kmail on it's own does not work. wtf is up with that anyway?
>
> erm... kdepim (including kontact and kmail) wasn't released with kde
> 4.0.0 at all...

I mean that kmail-3.5.8 does not work in a kde-4 session, but 
kontact-3.5.8 does work, and launches kmail correctly.

In other news, kde4 took a little nibble on my babies in a few other 
respects, as opposed to full-on eating them:

I created a separate user to test kde4 with, but did not notice in time 
that the PATH had been updated to place /usr/kde4 earlier 
than /usr/kde3.5. I've since changed it back but did run kde apps using 
my regular account meanwhile:

I used to have a ~/kde symlink to ~/kde3.5. This is now gone and 
replaced with a ~/kde directory, apparently a snapshot of the original. 
Some of my configs are changed - my Transport setting in Kmail were 
gone (I had a backup), and the Go menu in Konqueror now only displays 
History and Most Often Visited items.

My mail folders now appear to be out of sync, there are updates in ~/kde 
and in ~/kde3.5 dated after I changed things back. No further detail 
yet, it'll take a while to scan everythign and see where the changes 
are. Meanwhile I have work to do :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
>
>
> I used to have a ~/kde symlink to ~/kde3.5. This is now gone and 
> replaced with a ~/kde directory, apparently a snapshot of the original. 
> Some of my configs are changed - my Transport setting in Kmail were 
> gone (I had a backup), and the Go menu in Konqueror now only displays 
> History and Most Often Visited items.
>
> My mail folders now appear to be out of sync, there are updates in ~/kde 
> and in ~/kde3.5 dated after I changed things back. No further detail 
> yet, it'll take a while to scan everythign and see where the changes 
> are. Meanwhile I have work to do :-)
>
>   

Should a person make a backup of their ~/.kde directory before trying
KDE 4.0?  Maybe change the directory to .kde.old or something?

Your thoughts?

Oh, I got it downloaded and it is compiling now.  What a download tho.  LOL

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008, Dale wrote:

> Should a person make a backup of their ~/.kde directory before trying
> KDE 4.0?  Maybe change the directory to .kde.old or something?

yes, but gentoo's kde will create a new (and empty)  .kde4 dir for you.

More surprising was that kde4 cleaned all the stuff in /var/tmp - 2gb of 
cached http stuff gone ....
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Dale]

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Should a person make a backup of their ~/.kde directory before trying
>> KDE 4.0?  Maybe change the directory to .kde.old or something?
>>     
>
> yes, but gentoo's kde will create a new (and empty)  .kde4 dir for you.
>
> More surprising was that kde4 cleaned all the stuff in /var/tmp - 2gb of 
> cached http stuff gone ....
>   

Sounds like changing is not going to matter but I'll make a backup just
in case.

Do you mean EVERYTHING in /var/tmp or just the kde stuff?  Mine is
nowhere near that big.  Just a few Mbs or so.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008, Dale wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Dienstag, 22. Januar 2008, Dale wrote:
> >> Should a person make a backup of their ~/.kde directory before trying
> >> KDE 4.0?  Maybe change the directory to .kde.old or something?
> >
> > yes, but gentoo's kde will create a new (and empty)  .kde4 dir for you.
> >
> > More surprising was that kde4 cleaned all the stuff in /var/tmp - 2gb of
> > cached http stuff gone ....
>
> Sounds like changing is not going to matter but I'll make a backup just
> in case.
>
> Do you mean EVERYTHING in /var/tmp or just the kde stuff?  Mine is
> nowhere near that big.  Just a few Mbs or so.
>

only the kde stuff.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Alan McKinnon wrote:
| All in all, a very nice point-0 point-0 release. After using it for a
| few hours, I can understand what all the hype was about :-)

So, any screenshots of your experience?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Jerry McBride]

 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> All in all, a very nice point-0 point-0 release. After using it for a
> few hours, I can understand what all the hype was about :-)

It does grow on you and it is an excellent step forward. That said, I can't 
wait to see this get polished off and fully fleshed out. 

I dearly miss all the "tweaker bits" ! :')

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Peter Humphrey]

On Monday 21 January 2008 08:42:17 Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Kontact works properly and so does the kmail component.
> kmail on it's own does not work. wtf is up with that anyway?

Does that mean that I will get a working kmail if I emerge it as part of 
kontact, but not if I emerge it on its own?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 22 January 2008, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Monday 21 January 2008 08:42:17 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Kontact works properly and so does the kmail component.
> > kmail on it's own does not work. wtf is up with that anyway?
>
> Does that mean that I will get a working kmail if I emerge it as part
> of kontact, but not if I emerge it on its own?

No, it means that if you run kmail stand-alone it doesn't even show up 
on the screen. If you run it without kontact it seems to work.

This has nothing to do with how you compiled it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[James Ausmus]

On Jan 22, 2008 7:19 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 January 2008, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Monday 21 January 2008 08:42:17 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > Kontact works properly and so does the kmail component.
> > > kmail on it's own does not work. wtf is up with that anyway?
> >
> > Does that mean that I will get a working kmail if I emerge it as part
> > of kontact, but not if I emerge it on its own?
>
> No, it means that if you run kmail stand-alone it doesn't even show up
> on the screen. If you run it without kontact it seems to work.
<snip>

Interesting - out of curiosity, what messages do you get if you just
type kmail at a konsole?

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Uwe Thiem]

On 22 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 22 January 2008, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> > On Monday 21 January 2008 08:42:17 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > Kontact works properly and so does the kmail component.
> > > kmail on it's own does not work. wtf is up with that anyway?
> >
> > Does that mean that I will get a working kmail if I emerge it as part
> > of kontact, but not if I emerge it on its own?
>
> No, it means that if you run kmail stand-alone it doesn't even show up
> on the screen. If you run it without kontact it seems to work.

With kontact he means. Unfortunately not for me yet.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE4 first impressions

[Peter Humphrey]

On Tuesday 22 January 2008 15:13:18 Peter Humphrey wrote:
> On Monday 21 January 2008 08:42:17 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Kontact works properly and so does the kmail component.
> > kmail on it's own does not work. wtf is up with that anyway?
>
> Does that mean that I will get a working kmail if I emerge it as part of
> kontact, but not if I emerge it on its own?

Ok, sorry - I hadn't read the whole of the thread.

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