[gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

Hi folks,

after the painful and time-consuming creation of /etc/portage/package.unmask 
for KDE 4, <emerge --pretend --verbose "=kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0" tells me:
[blocks B     ] <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking 
kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)

I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I cannot 
unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Uwe Thiem wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> after the painful and time-consuming creation of /etc/portage/package.unmask 
> for KDE 4, <emerge --pretend --verbose "=kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0" tells me:
> [blocks B     ] <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking 
> kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
>
> I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I cannot 
> unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?
>
> Uwe
>
>   

For future reference, check out autounmask.  I found out about it the
other day.  I have not used it yet but I'm hopeful it works.

Also, there is a thread on the forums about this, I think you have to
have 3.5.8* version to do this.  Not sure why tho.  Isn't KDE 4.0
slotted?  Can't you have 3.5 AND 4.0 installed and select which version
you want to log into?

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Δημήτριος Ροπόκης]

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:42:55 +0200, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> Uwe Thiem wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> after the painful and time-consuming creation of  
>> /etc/portage/package.unmask
>> for KDE 4, <emerge --pretend --verbose "=kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0" tells  
>> me:
>> [blocks B     ] <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking
>> kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
>>
>> I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I  
>> cannot
>> unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?
>>
>> Uwe
>>
>>
>
> For future reference, check out autounmask.  I found out about it the
> other day.  I have not used it yet but I'm hopeful it works.
>
> Also, there is a thread on the forums about this, I think you have to
> have 3.5.8* version to do this.  Not sure why tho.  Isn't KDE 4.0
> slotted?  Can't you have 3.5 AND 4.0 installed and select which version
> you want to log into?
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)

Autounmask looks to work,
but some packets with ~86 I think need manual check.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Paul Salters]

On Saturday 19 January 2008 16:52:45 Δημήτριος Ροπόκης wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:42:55 +0200, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > Uwe Thiem wrote:
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> after the painful and time-consuming creation of
> >> /etc/portage/package.unmask
> >> for KDE 4, <emerge --pretend --verbose "=kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0" tells
> >> me:
> >> [blocks B     ] <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking
> >> kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
> >>
> >> I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I
> >> cannot
> >> unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?
> >>
> >> Uwe
> >
> > For future reference, check out autounmask.  I found out about it the
> > other day.  I have not used it yet but I'm hopeful it works.
> >
> > Also, there is a thread on the forums about this, I think you have to
> > have 3.5.8* version to do this.  Not sure why tho.  Isn't KDE 4.0
> > slotted?  Can't you have 3.5 AND 4.0 installed and select which version
> > you want to log into?
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
>
> Autounmask looks to work,
> but some packets with ~86 I think need manual check.

hi,

you need to unmask kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 and emerge that.
should work :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 19 January 2008, Paul Salters wrote:
> On Saturday 19 January 2008 16:52:45 Δημήτριος Ροπόκης wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:42:55 +0200, Dale <dalek1967@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > > Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > >> Hi folks,
> > >>
> > >> after the painful and time-consuming creation of
> > >> /etc/portage/package.unmask
> > >> for KDE 4, <emerge --pretend --verbose "=kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0"
> > >> tells me:
> > >> [blocks B     ] <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking
> > >> kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
> > >>
> > >> I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I
> > >> cannot
> > >> unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?
> > >>
> > >> Uwe
> > >
> > > For future reference, check out autounmask.  I found out about it the
> > > other day.  I have not used it yet but I'm hopeful it works.
> > >
> > > Also, there is a thread on the forums about this, I think you have to
> > > have 3.5.8* version to do this.  Not sure why tho.  Isn't KDE 4.0
> > > slotted?  Can't you have 3.5 AND 4.0 installed and select which version
> > > you want to log into?
> > >
> > > Dale
> > >
> > > :-)  :-)
> >
> > Autounmask looks to work,
> > but some packets with ~86 I think need manual check.
>
> hi,
>
> you need to unmask kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 and emerge that.
> should work :)

???

According to emerge, kdebase-3.5.7-r6 is *blocking* kdelibs-4.0.0. See my 
original post.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Uwe Thiem wrote:
>
>
> ???
>
> According to emerge, kdebase-3.5.7-r6 is *blocking* kdelibs-4.0.0. See my 
> original post.
>
> Uwe
>
>   

I can't find it but I read somewhere that portage wants at least
3.5.8-r2 or better to install 4.0.  Again, I have NO CLUE why.  My
question if this is true, what if you never had KDE installed to begin
with?  Then what?  Install the old one then upgrade?  Something fishy.

I also read where there is a issue or two with regard to qt.  May want
to get your boots on for that too. 

Confused.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 19 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > ???
> >
> > According to emerge, kdebase-3.5.7-r6 is *blocking* kdelibs-4.0.0. See my
> > original post.
> >
> > Uwe
>
> I can't find it but I read somewhere that portage wants at least
> 3.5.8-r2 or better to install 4.0.  Again, I have NO CLUE why.  My
> question if this is true, what if you never had KDE installed to begin
> with?  Then what?  Install the old one then upgrade?  Something fishy.
>
> I also read where there is a issue or two with regard to qt.  May want
> to get your boots on for that too.
>
> Confused.

Read Neil's reply. He hit the nail on the finger.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sat, 2008-01-19 at 19:50 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> Read Neil's reply. He hit the nail on the finger.

That's worthy of sending to Scott Adams!  I hope he hit the nail on the
(it's) head, not on his finger :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Juul]

Uwe Thiem schreef:
> On 19 January 2008, Paul Salters wrote:
>   
>> hi,
>>
>> you need to unmask kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 and emerge that.
>> should work :)
>>     
>
> ???
>
> According to emerge, kdebase-3.5.7-r6 is *blocking* kdelibs-4.0.0. See my 
> original post.
>   
It is blocking older versions 3.5.7-r6. Upgrade to 3.5.7-r6 and the
block will be gone.

Juul

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 19 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > after the painful and time-consuming creation of
> > /etc/portage/package.unmask for KDE 4, <emerge --pretend --verbose
> > "=kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0" tells me: [blocks B     ]
> > <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking
> > kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
> >
> > I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I
> > cannot unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?
> >
> > Uwe
>
> For future reference, check out autounmask.  I found out about it the
> other day.  I have not used it yet but I'm hopeful it works.

I'll have look into autounmask.

>
> Also, there is a thread on the forums about this, I think you have to
> have 3.5.8* version to do this.  Not sure why tho.  Isn't KDE 4.0
> slotted?  Can't you have 3.5 AND 4.0 installed and select which version
> you want to log into?

Exactly. So why is kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (which is not even installed here) 
blocking kdelibs-4.0.0?

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Samstag, 19. Januar 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> On 19 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> > Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > after the painful and time-consuming creation of
> > > /etc/portage/package.unmask for KDE 4, <emerge --pretend --verbose
> > > "=kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0" tells me: [blocks B     ]
> > > <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking
> > > kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
> > >
> > > I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I
> > > cannot unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?
> > >
> > > Uwe
> >
> > For future reference, check out autounmask.  I found out about it the
> > other day.  I have not used it yet but I'm hopeful it works.
>
> I'll have look into autounmask.
>
> > Also, there is a thread on the forums about this, I think you have to
> > have 3.5.8* version to do this.  Not sure why tho.  Isn't KDE 4.0
> > slotted?  Can't you have 3.5 AND 4.0 installed and select which version
> > you want to log into?
>
> Exactly. So why is kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (which is not even installed here)
> blocking kdelibs-4.0.0?
>

error in ebuild?
I did not have that block. Maybe you should remove the blocker from the 
ebuild.

Apart from that, kde4 installed very nice in parallel to 3.5 - in 2.5h (with 
qt4 rebuilt). Sadly I can not use it - because of a reiser4 problem...

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Jerry McBride]

On Saturday 19 January 2008 02:58:11 pm Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Samstag, 19. Januar 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > On 19 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> > > Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > > > Hi folks,
> > > >
> > > > after the painful and time-consuming creation of
> > > > /etc/portage/package.unmask for KDE 4, <emerge --pretend --verbose
> > > > "=kde-base/kde-meta-4.0.0" tells me: [blocks B     ]
> > > > <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking
> > > > kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
> > > >
> > > > I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I
> > > > cannot unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?
> > > >
> > > > Uwe
> > >
> > > For future reference, check out autounmask.  I found out about it the
> > > other day.  I have not used it yet but I'm hopeful it works.
> >
> > I'll have look into autounmask.
> >
> > > Also, there is a thread on the forums about this, I think you have to
> > > have 3.5.8* version to do this.  Not sure why tho.  Isn't KDE 4.0
> > > slotted?  Can't you have 3.5 AND 4.0 installed and select which version
> > > you want to log into?
> >
> > Exactly. So why is kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (which is not even installed here)
> > blocking kdelibs-4.0.0?
>
> error in ebuild?
> I did not have that block. Maybe you should remove the blocker from the
> ebuild.
>
> Apart from that, kde4 installed very nice in parallel to 3.5 - in 2.5h
> (with qt4 rebuilt). Sadly I can not use it - because of a reiser4
> problem...

Same here, no blockers... however I kdelibs-4 wanted accessibility use flag 
enabled in qt4... so... recompile qt4 with use flag set and I'm off compiling 
kde4...

I can't wait!!!

P.S. Autounmask worked like a charm...

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Saturday 19 January 2008 02:58:11 pm Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
>   
>> error in ebuild?
>> I did not have that block. Maybe you should remove the blocker from the
>> ebuild.
>>
>> Apart from that, kde4 installed very nice in parallel to 3.5 - in 2.5h
>> (with qt4 rebuilt). Sadly I can not use it - because of a reiser4
>> problem...
>>     
>
> Same here, no blockers... however I kdelibs-4 wanted accessibility use flag 
> enabled in qt4... so... recompile qt4 with use flag set and I'm off compiling 
> kde4...
>
> I can't wait!!!
>
> P.S. Autounmask worked like a charm...
>
>   

Hmmmm, I get this blocker:

[blocks B     ] <=x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking
x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1)

Is unmerging qt a good idea?

Dale

:-)  :-)

P.S.  Yea, autounmask is pretty cool.  ;-)  Anybody check out the
noversion option yet?  I did a -p of it.  Seemed to be pretty cool.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

> Hmmmm, I get this blocker:
>
> [blocks B     ] <=x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking
> x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1)
>
> Is unmerging qt a good idea?

Yes, looking in the ebuild, qt-4.4 seems to be organized as a meta 
package and you have older monolithic ones. So you will have to unmerge 
your old qt-4 stuff first

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Hmmmm, I get this blocker:
>>
>> [blocks B     ] <=x11-libs/qt-4.4_rc:4 (is blocking
>> x11-libs/qt-core-4.4.0_rc1)
>>
>> Is unmerging qt a good idea?
>>     
>
> Yes, looking in the ebuild, qt-4.4 seems to be organized as a meta 
> package and you have older monolithic ones. So you will have to unmerge 
> your old qt-4 stuff first
>
> alan
>
>   

Thanks for the info.  I know Python, portage, gcc and a couple others
are bad to remove but I wasn't real sure about qt.  I think I'll go to a
console and do it all in one line, just to be sure.  Wouldn't want KDE
to crash in the middle of it.  I usually use Konsole for that stuff.

Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff. 
Stinking dial-up.  :-@

Thanks again.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

> Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
> Stinking dial-up.  :-@

That will take a loooong while. Most KDE4 packages are far larger than there 
KDE3 counterparts.  Just as an example:

kdebase-3.3.8.tar.bz2 was 24MB. Now we have three kdebase tarballs:
kdebase                         3.9MB
kdebase-runtime         46MB
kdebase-workspace    29MB

Good luck with dialup!

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Uwe Thiem wrote:
> On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
>> Stinking dial-up.  :-@
>>     
>
> That will take a loooong while. Most KDE4 packages are far larger than there 
> KDE3 counterparts.  Just as an example:
>
> kdebase-3.3.8.tar.bz2 was 24MB. Now we have three kdebase tarballs:
> kdebase                         3.9MB
> kdebase-runtime         46MB
> kdebase-workspace    29MB
>
> Good luck with dialup!
>
> Uwe
>
>   

Tell me about it.  I have already been at it for about 15 hours or so. 

Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block),
Size of downloads: 222,586 kB

I used to think OOo was big.  LOL   DSL is supposed to be here soon tho,
I hope.

Dale

:-)  :-) 

P.S.  I still have a OOo update in the mask section.  Going to try KDE
4.0 first.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Jerry McBride]

> >> Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
> >> Stinking dial-up.  :-@
> >
> > That will take a loooong while. Most KDE4 packages are far larger than
> > there KDE3 counterparts.  Just as an example:
> >
> > kdebase-3.3.8.tar.bz2 was 24MB. Now we have three kdebase tarballs:
> > kdebase                         3.9MB
> > kdebase-runtime         46MB
> > kdebase-workspace    29MB
> >
> > Good luck with dialup!

Thanks for the reminder.... 

If anyone on this mailing list isn't able to grab the gentoo sources in a 
reasonable amount of time (ie. dialup) I'm willing to copy and burn to cdrw 
or dvdrw anything you desire... Just ask me via my email address.

What I prefer to do, is work with users that are in the USA and are willing to 
swap disks or at least give me a $1.00 or $2.00 to cover material and 
shipping. That said, if you're really financially strapped... I'll assume all 
costs involved... Whatever... I'm easy.

Cheers and May the Penguin Be Kind to You.

P.S. Kde 4.0 is a real looker. Compiled free of defects, aside from having to 
fix a few USE's that I didn't have prior... 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

> Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
> Stinking dial-up.  :-@

On a second thought: Can't a kind soul in the US send Dale the tarballs on a 
CD? (I'd do it, but it would take forever from here.)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Uwe Thiem wrote:
> On 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Now to spend the next couple days downloading all the KDE 4.0 stuff.
>> Stinking dial-up.  :-@
>>     
>
> On a second thought: Can't a kind soul in the US send Dale the tarballs on a 
> CD? (I'd do it, but it would take forever from here.)
>
> Uwe
>
>   

Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
and we had cable then.

Of course, I was told we would be getting DSL real soon.  They have put
in the new box, hooked up the fiber optic cables and stuff so far.  They
got to put in the cards that do the DSL thing next.  I'm not sure when
that will happen but shouldn't be to long.  I been promised that I would
be #1 on the list even if I was just a tester at first.  Not real sure
how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
out.  :-)

Funny thing is, we were supposed to have DSL before hurricane Katrina
hit but they had to go run new stuff down on the coast, which I totally
understand too.  Where we live, there are a lot of Drs and stuff now. 
They will have a LOT of customers once they get it set up.  I have had
one person that said they would stay with dial-up.  Right now, I'm
connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
It does teach patience tho.  LOL

Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
time on the phone too.  I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.

Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.

Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block),
Size of downloads: 205,439 kB

Made some progress so far.   LOL

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Justin Findlay]

On AD 2008 January 20 Sunday 06:48:10 AM -0600, Dale wrote:
> Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
> does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
> time on the phone too.  I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
> internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
> makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
> should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.

I pay $40/month for 14 Mib up and down and I can run it at max
throughput indefinitely.  I seeded all 92 gentoo torrents for a month
once to test this out. :-)  Here in Utah, USA we have the largest
community fiber network in the country called UTOPIA.  I'm only on
iProvo, but on UTOPIA they can get 50 Mib for a residential link.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Justin Findlay wrote:
> On AD 2008 January 20 Sunday 06:48:10 AM -0600, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
>> does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
>> time on the phone too.  I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
>> internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
>> makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
>> should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.
>>     
>
> I pay $40/month for 14 Mib up and down and I can run it at max
> throughput indefinitely.  I seeded all 92 gentoo torrents for a month
> once to test this out. :-)  Here in Utah, USA we have the largest
> community fiber network in the country called UTOPIA.  I'm only on
> iProvo, but on UTOPIA they can get 50 Mib for a residential link.
>
>
> Justin
>   

I wish I lived in Utopia.  LOL  :-p  Well, I made some progress while I
was napping.  I'm here now:

>>> Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to /
>>> Downloading
'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--10:48:22-- 
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2
           => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative)

23% [==========>                                       ] 9,760,968     
2.61K/s  ETA 4:48:59

Exiting on signal 2
root@smoker / #   

I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy.  Can't do more than
one thing at a time on this connection.  :-(   Even Kopete pitches a fit
sometimes.  It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have that ONE completed.
;-)

Dang, 14Mbs both ways.  < Dale drools and slobbers everywhere >

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Alan McKinnon]

On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:

> I wish I lived in Utopia.  LOL  :-p  Well, I made some progress while
> I
>
> was napping.  I'm here now:
> >>> Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to /
> >>> Downloading
>
> 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz
>2' --10:48:22--
> ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2
>            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
> Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
> Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
> ==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
> ==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
> Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative)
>
> 23% [==========>                                       ] 9,760,968
> 2.61K/s  ETA 4:48:59
>
> Exiting on signal 2
> root@smoker / #
>
> I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy.  Can't do more
> than one thing at a time on this connection.  :-(   Even Kopete
> pitches a fit sometimes.  It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have
> that ONE completed. ;-)
>
> Dang, 14Mbs both ways.  < Dale drools and slobbers everywhere >

I feel your pain. Until recently I was on a 56k dial-up that thought 33k 
was fast....

If anyone on this list is in Johannesburg and would like a copy of the 
kde4 sources, drop me a mail.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 20 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Sunday 20 January 2008, Dale wrote:
> > I wish I lived in Utopia.  LOL  :-p  Well, I made some progress while
> > I
> >
> > was napping.  I'm here now:
> > >>> Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to /
> > >>> Downloading
> >
> > 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz
> >2' --10:48:22--
> > ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2
> >            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
> > Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
> > Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
> > Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
> > ==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
> > ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
> > ==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
> > Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative)
> >
> > 23% [==========>                                       ] 9,760,968
> > 2.61K/s  ETA 4:48:59
> >
> > Exiting on signal 2
> > root@smoker / #
> >
> > I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy.  Can't do more
> > than one thing at a time on this connection.  :-(   Even Kopete
> > pitches a fit sometimes.  It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have
> > that ONE completed. ;-)
> >
> > Dang, 14Mbs both ways.  < Dale drools and slobbers everywhere >
>
> I feel your pain. Until recently I was on a 56k dial-up that thought 33k
> was fast....
>
> If anyone on this list is in Johannesburg and would like a copy of the
> kde4 sources, drop me a mail.

Same here in Windhoek.  Just bring a memory stick large enough and a Windhoek 
lager. ;-)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 12:37 -0600, Dale wrote:

> >>> Emerging (31 of 205) kde-base/libkdeedu-4.0.0 to /
> >>> Downloading
> 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
> --10:48:22-- 
> ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2
>            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
> Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
> Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
> ==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
> ==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR kdeedu-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
> Length: 41,886,885 (40M) (unauthoritative)
> 
> 23% [==========>                                       ] 9,760,968     
> 2.61K/s  ETA 4:48:59
> 
> Exiting on signal 2
> root@smoker / #   
> 
> I had to stop it to send in a folding unit thingy.  Can't do more than
> one thing at a time on this connection.  :-(   Even Kopete pitches a fit
> sometimes.  It's 12:40 now, so by dark I should have that ONE completed.
> ;-)
> 
> Dang, 14Mbs both ways.  < Dale drools and slobbers everywhere >
> 
> Dale

didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
>
> didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!
>
>   

Yep, it is on the way.  I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!!   Little
progress today.

>>> Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to /
>>> Downloading
'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--22:27:31-- 
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2
           => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative)

63% [==============================>                   ] 2,549,928     
2.18K/s    ETA 12:55

Exiting on signal 2
root@smoker / #

Could be worse I guess.  :/

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Eddie Mihalow Jr]

Dale wrote:
> Iain Buchanan wrote:
>>
>> didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!
>>
>>   
> 
> Yep, it is on the way.  I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!!   Little
> progress today.
> 
>>>> Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to /
>>>> Downloading
> 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
> --22:27:31-- 
> ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2
>            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
> Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
> Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
> ==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
> ==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
> Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative)
> 
> 63% [==============================>                   ] 2,549,928     
> 2.18K/s    ETA 12:55
> 
> Exiting on signal 2
> root@smoker / #
> 
> Could be worse I guess.  :/
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
Dale, are you still getting ATT/Bellsouth? If so I have 3 modems that 
work-(as a back-up) that
I'll send to you as a back-up.
Let me know if you need any cd's or stuff and I''l send them to you.
I live close to you in NOLA.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>> Iain Buchanan wrote:
>>>
>>> didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!
>>>
>>>   
>>
>> Yep, it is on the way.  I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!!   Little
>> progress today.
>>
>>>>> Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to /
>>>>> Downloading
>> 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
>> --22:27:31--
>> ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2
>>            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
>> Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
>> Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
>> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
>> ==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
>> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
>> ==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
>> Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative)
>>
>> 63% [==============================>                   ]
>> 2,549,928     2.18K/s    ETA 12:55
>>
>> Exiting on signal 2
>> root@smoker / #
>>
>> Could be worse I guess.  :/
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-) 
> Dale, are you still getting ATT/Bellsouth? If so I have 3 modems that
> work-(as a back-up) that
> I'll send to you as a back-up.
> Let me know if you need any cd's or stuff and I''l send them to you.
> I live close to you in NOLA.
>
>

I got a friend that is going to let me "borrow" his until I can get
one.  I don't want to get a contract on the DSL so I don't want to get
one from AT&T.  I did check on Ebay tho.  Interested in selling one of
yours?  No idea how much one costs really.  I'm sure AT&T wants a arm
and a leg for one tho.

A little more progress last night, all night.  LOL

>>> Emerging (39 of 209) kde-base/kdebase-data-4.0.0 to /
>>> Resuming download...
>>> Downloading
'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
--05:46:32-- 
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2
           => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
==> SIZE kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
==> PASV ... done.    ==> REST 7883580 ... done.
==> RETR kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
Length: 48,097,008 (46M), 40,213,428 (38M) remaining
<SNIP>
79% [+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++===========>             ]
38,032,388     3.42K/s  ETA 1:28:03

Exiting on signal 2
root@smoker / #

I think it is only a couple big ones left.  May start the compile before
to long.  :-) 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Eddie Mihalow Jr]

Dale wrote:
> Eddie Mihalow Jr wrote:
>> Dale wrote:
>>> Iain Buchanan wrote:
>>>> didn't you say aDSL was on the way?  May it speed to your line!
>>>>
>>>>   
>>> Yep, it is on the way.  I plan to surf for a week, NON STOP!!   Little
>>> progress today.
>>>
>>>>>> Emerging (33 of 205) kde-base/libkonq-4.0.0 to /
>>>>>> Downloading
>>> 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
>>> --22:27:31--
>>> ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2
>>>            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
>>> Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
>>> Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
>>> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
>>> ==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
>>> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
>>> ==> PASV ... done.    ==> RETR kdebase-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
>>> Length: 4,032,455 (3.8M) (unauthoritative)
>>>
>>> 63% [==============================>                   ]
>>> 2,549,928     2.18K/s    ETA 12:55
>>>
>>> Exiting on signal 2
>>> root@smoker / #
>>>
>>> Could be worse I guess.  :/
>>>
>>> Dale
>>>
>>> :-)  :-) 
>> Dale, are you still getting ATT/Bellsouth? If so I have 3 modems that
>> work-(as a back-up) that
>> I'll send to you as a back-up.
>> Let me know if you need any cd's or stuff and I''l send them to you.
>> I live close to you in NOLA.
>>
>>
> 
> I got a friend that is going to let me "borrow" his until I can get
> one.  I don't want to get a contract on the DSL so I don't want to get
> one from AT&T.  I did check on Ebay tho.  Interested in selling one of
> yours?  No idea how much one costs really.  I'm sure AT&T wants a arm
> and a leg for one tho.
> 
> A little more progress last night, all night.  LOL
> 
>>>> Emerging (39 of 209) kde-base/kdebase-data-4.0.0 to /
>>>> Resuming download...
>>>> Downloading
> 'ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
> --05:46:32-- 
> ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2
>            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2'
> Resolving ftp.ussg.iu.edu... 156.56.247.193
> Connecting to ftp.ussg.iu.edu|156.56.247.193|:21... connected.
> Logging in as anonymous ... Logged in!
> ==> SYST ... done.    ==> PWD ... done.
> ==> TYPE I ... done.  ==> CWD /pub/linux/gentoo/distfiles ... done.
> ==> SIZE kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
> ==> PASV ... done.    ==> REST 7883580 ... done.
> ==> RETR kdebase-runtime-4.0.0.tar.bz2 ... done.
> Length: 48,097,008 (46M), 40,213,428 (38M) remaining
> <SNIP>
> 79% [+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++===========>             ]
> 38,032,388     3.42K/s  ETA 1:28:03
> 
> Exiting on signal 2
> root@smoker / #
> 
> I think it is only a couple big ones left.  May start the compile before
> to long.  :-) 
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-) 
I'll give you one, just contact me off list.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 20 January 2008, Justin Findlay wrote:

> I pay $40/month for 14 Mib up and down and I can run it at max
> throughput indefinitely.  I seeded all 92 gentoo torrents for a month
> once to test this out. :-)  Here in Utah, USA we have the largest
> community fiber network in the country called UTOPIA.  I'm only on
> iProvo, but on UTOPIA they can get 50 Mib for a residential link.

You lucky bastard over there in Utopia! ;-)

My ADSL is 256Kb downstream and 64Kb upstream. I pay about USD50 per month 
with a data cap of 1GB per month. Still, this is far better and cheaper than 
the dialup connection I have had before. 

The so-called digital divide isn't all that much about technology, computers 
or other gadgets.; It's about knowledge and, mainly, bandwidth and its costs. 
I still have customers that run a 100 workstations business on a 128Kb line, 
paying more than USD1000 per month for it.

Alright, we are straying far from the topic here. Good luck to Dale!

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 06:48 -0600, Dale wrote:

> Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
> Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
> about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
> and we had cable then.

Funny, in all the recent discussion on creating an install CD, I never
thought of this reason for them - that some people can still order them
snail-mail faster than downloading it.  Thanks for bringing me back
inline!

> Of course, I was told we would be getting DSL real soon.  They have put
> in the new box, hooked up the fiber optic cables and stuff so far.  They
> got to put in the cards that do the DSL thing next.  I'm not sure when
> that will happen but shouldn't be to long.  I been promised that I would
> be #1 on the list even if I was just a tester at first.  Not real sure
> how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
> out.  :-)

the best way, IMHO is to get a router/firewall/switch that does it all
for you.  You will need an aDSL modem anyway, and nowadays cheap routers
don't cost much (if any) more.

> Funny thing is, we were supposed to have DSL before hurricane Katrina
> hit but they had to go run new stuff down on the coast, which I totally
> understand too.  Where we live, there are a lot of Drs and stuff now. 
> They will have a LOT of customers once they get it set up.  I have had
> one person that said they would stay with dial-up.  Right now, I'm
> connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
> of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
> It does teach patience tho.  LOL

I remember the days...  If my kids ever complain about internet speeds
(they're only 2.5, and -0.6 atm) I'll whip 'em down to dial up and say
"In my day..."

> Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
> does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
> time on the phone too.

You mean you don't have a fixed cost dial-up number?

>   I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
> internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
> makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
> should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.

plus you can VOIP which saves more $

> Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
> I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.

Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.

> Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block),
> Size of downloads: 205,439 kB
> 
> Made some progress so far.   LOL

We just upgraded to 8Mbit at work... Makes an emerge --sync nice :)
Nicer than 1.5Mbit anyway.  I know there are faster speeds out there,
but for now "8Mbit is enough for anyone"!

> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)

cya,
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 06:48 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
>> Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
>> about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
>> and we had cable then.
>>     
>
> Funny, in all the recent discussion on creating an install CD, I never
> thought of this reason for them - that some people can still order them
> snail-mail faster than downloading it.  Thanks for bringing me back
> inline!
>   

Actually, I mentioned that once in that discussion.  Could you imagine a
reinstall and having to download ALL the distfiles?  I keep a back up of
my distfiles, two of them, snapshot and all.  I figure about 2 weeks of
downloading and installing, mostly downloading.

>   
>> Of course, I was told we would be getting DSL real soon.  They have put
>> in the new box, hooked up the fiber optic cables and stuff so far.  They
>> got to put in the cards that do the DSL thing next.  I'm not sure when
>> that will happen but shouldn't be to long.  I been promised that I would
>> be #1 on the list even if I was just a tester at first.  Not real sure
>> how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
>> out.  :-)
>>     
>
> the best way, IMHO is to get a router/firewall/switch that does it all
> for you.  You will need an aDSL modem anyway, and nowadays cheap routers
> don't cost much (if any) more.
>   

I plan to get a Linksys router.  That should work right?  That's what we
had on my ex's cable connection too.

>   
>> Funny thing is, we were supposed to have DSL before hurricane Katrina
>> hit but they had to go run new stuff down on the coast, which I totally
>> understand too.  Where we live, there are a lot of Drs and stuff now. 
>> They will have a LOT of customers once they get it set up.  I have had
>> one person that said they would stay with dial-up.  Right now, I'm
>> connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
>> of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
>> It does teach patience tho.  LOL
>>     
>
> I remember the days...  If my kids ever complain about internet speeds
> (they're only 2.5, and -0.6 atm) I'll whip 'em down to dial up and say
> "In my day..."
>   

Put on a 9800.  Man, they will learn quick then for sure.  -0.6?  The
biscuits still in the oven? 

>   
>> Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
>> does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
>> time on the phone too.
>>     
>
> You mean you don't have a fixed cost dial-up number?
>   

Well, because we have what is called measured circle, which means we can
call other towns and they are considered local but with limits on the
number of minutes each month.  I go aver that limit and they charge a
little more for that.  It's the phone company.  They get you any way
they can.  I understand why Vonage is doing so well. 

>   
>>   I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
>> internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
>> makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
>> should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.
>>     
>
> plus you can VOIP which saves more $
>   

Plan to check on that too.  $$$$

>   
>> Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
>> I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.
>>     
>
> Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
> compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
> then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.
>   

I could just leave off the -f and it would do the same but I like to
watch the progress.  O_O

>   
>> Total: 205 packages (2 upgrades, 80 new, 123 in new slots, 1 block),
>> Size of downloads: 205,439 kB
>>
>> Made some progress so far.   LOL
>>     
>
> We just upgraded to 8Mbit at work... Makes an emerge --sync nice :)
> Nicer than 1.5Mbit anyway.  I know there are faster speeds out there,
> but for now "8Mbit is enough for anyone"!
>
>   
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>     
>
> cya,
>   

I plan to start out on the basic plan then may upgrade to a faster one
as I can.  Maybe by then Gentoo will have some other issues sorted out
and I can help in other ways.  This dial-up sort of limits a person a lot.

Well, 12 hour limit.  Better log off and reconnect then start again.  LOL

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Iain Buchanan]

On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 23:03 -0600, Dale wrote:
> Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2008-01-20 at 06:48 -0600, Dale wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Heck, if the price is right, I'd order them.  I try to order a new
> >> Gentoo install CD when it comes out, been a while I know, but it takes
> >> about a week to download a CD.  Last one I got was when I was with my ex
> >> and we had cable then.
> >
> > Funny, in all the recent discussion on creating an install CD, I never
> > thought of this reason for them - that some people can still order them
> > snail-mail faster than downloading it.  Thanks for bringing me back
> > inline!
> 
> Actually, I mentioned that once in that discussion.

oh.  well, in my defence there was a hellofalotof discussion and I tried
to stay interested but I did miss a few comments :)

>   Could you imagine a
> reinstall and having to download ALL the distfiles?
...

Yeah, did that once and didn't like it even on 512kbit!

...
> Not real sure
> >> how to set up Linux to login yet but I'm sure I'll get something figured
> >> out.  :-)
> >>     
> >
> > the best way, IMHO is to get a router/firewall/switch that does it all
> > for you.  You will need an aDSL modem anyway, and nowadays cheap routers
> > don't cost much (if any) more.
> >   
> 
> I plan to get a Linksys router.  That should work right?  That's what we
> had on my ex's cable connection too.

so long as it's not a cable modem ;)  The Billion 7404 works great here,
but then I think that's country-specific so you might not have the exact
model.

...
>   Right now, I'm
> >> connected at 24K and get a throughput of about 3K/sec.  Click on a bunch
> >> of links and go eat supper, take a bath or something like that.  :-p  
> >> It does teach patience tho.  LOL
> >>     
> >
> > I remember the days...  If my kids ever complain about internet speeds
> > (they're only 2.5, and -0.6 atm) I'll whip 'em down to dial up and say
> > "In my day..."
> >   
> 
> Put on a 9800.  Man, they will learn quick then for sure.

"Hey Iain, how come your kids are so well behaved?"
Me: "We have a system.  An untidy room looses you 100kbit/s; fighting
looses you 200kbit/s; not eating dinner looses you 50kbit/s..."

>   -0.6?  The
> biscuits still in the oven? 

Yep, almost half way to going through it all again!

> >> Funnier still, they recently went up on dial-up.  It costs more than DSL
> >> does.  Oh, since I am on the net so much, they also charge me for the
> >> time on the phone too.
> >
> > You mean you don't have a fixed cost dial-up number?
> 
> Well, because we have what is called measured circle, which means we can
> call other towns and they are considered local but with limits on the
> number of minutes each month.  I go aver that limit and they charge a
> little more for that.  It's the phone company.  They get you any way
> they can.  I understand why Vonage is doing so well. 

They're as bad as banks - the major telco here has tried a number of
times to get timed local calls through, but luckily they're still partly
gov't owned, so there's too much outcry.  Essentially any call in the
same city is local.  There are even "national dial-up numbers" which are
special number that ISP's can get.  They're charged at local call rates
no matter where you are in Australia.  I remember staying connected for
about 4 days once :)

> >>   I end up paying about $30 to $40 a month for
> >> internet costs.  Funny huh?  DSL is $19.95 a month.  Me being disabled
> >> makes it even more fun.  I'm wanting DSL to save money right now.  I
> >> should save about $20 a month or so plus have a faster connection.
> >>     
> >
> > plus you can VOIP which saves more $
> >   
> 
> Plan to check on that too.  $$$$

just make sure you go with a "quality" provider!  There are cheap and
nasty providers (here anyway) where call quality is not worth it, and
there are quality providers that guarantee a certain level of quality
and service.  But so long as you don't lock yourself into a plan, you
can chop & change as you like.

> >> Oh well, by Tuesday night I should have it downloaded and ready to go. 
> >> I use the -f switch and get it all before I start to compile stuff.
> >
> > Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
> > compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
> > then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.
> 
> I could just leave off the -f and it would do the same but I like to
> watch the progress.  O_O

not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package, and
compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
of the individual downloads and compiles.

"emerge -f world" and "emerge -u world" in two separate windows would
start downloading, but then as soon as the first package is downloaded,
it starts compiling while the next is being downloaded.  So by the time
you get to downloading the last package, everything but that last
package has already been compiled and installed (for a very slow
connection.  If you had a fast connection, you often finish downloading
well before you've compiled and installed).  This cuts your total time
down quite a bit.

...
> I plan to start out on the basic plan then may upgrade to a faster one
> as I can.  Maybe by then Gentoo will have some other issues sorted out
> and I can help in other ways.  This dial-up sort of limits a person a lot.

yeah, just make sure the basic plan is shaped (if you have a download
quota)

> Well, 12 hour limit.  Better log off and reconnect then start again.  LOL

*l*  cya!
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package, and
> compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
> of the individual downloads and compiles.

Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
>   
>> not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package, and
>> compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
>> of the individual downloads and compiles.
>>     
>
> Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.
>
>
>   

That's what I have turned on, just in case.  I try to keep the modem
going all the time.  It's not like it is going to "over heat" or
anything.  LOL

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dave Oxley]

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I've got KDE4 installed and running mostly fine. It loses some 
configuration on a log off and on and it shows 2 batteries rather than 
the 1 which is the only one the laptop has! But other than that switched 
to it by default now. How do I prevent a --depclean from trying to 
delete my KDE 3.5 though?

Cheers,
Dave.
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 21 January 2008, Dave Oxley wrote:
> I've got KDE4 installed and running mostly fine. It loses some
> configuration on a log off and on and it shows 2 batteries rather than
> the 1 which is the only one the laptop has! But other than that switched
> to it by default now. 

For me, kmail does not appear in the apps launcher (other 3.5.8 apps do) nor 
can I start it with krunner. Konsole crashes on startup.

No such problems on your side?

Uwe 

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

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On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 00:33:07 +1100, Dave Oxley wrote:

> How do I prevent a --depclean from trying to delete my KDE 3.5 though?

grep '^kde-base' /var/lib/portage/world | sed 's/\(.*\)/~\1-3.5.8/' >>/var/lib/portage/world


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Montag, 21. Januar 2008, Dave Oxley wrote:
> I've got KDE4 installed and running mostly fine. It loses some
> configuration on a log off and on and it shows 2 batteries rather than
> the 1 which is the only one the laptop has! But other than that switched
> to it by default now. How do I prevent a --depclean from trying to
> delete my KDE 3.5 though?

I don't know what you are doing wrong - but depclean does not want to remove 
kde-3.5.

Kde3.5 and 4 are slotted - so no reason to depclean:
 These are the packages that would be unmerged:

 kde-base/kmail
    selected: 3.97.0
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 kde-base/korganizer
    selected: 3.97.0
   protected: none
     omitted: none

 kde-base/lisa
    selected: 3.97.0
   protected: none
     omitted: 3.5.8
.
.
.
...
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Alan McKinnon]

On Monday 21 January 2008, Dave Oxley wrote:
> I've got KDE4 installed and running mostly fine. It loses some
> configuration on a log off and on and it shows 2 batteries rather
> than the 1 which is the only one the laptop has! But other than that
> switched to it by default now. How do I prevent a --depclean from
> trying to delete my KDE 3.5 though?

Add your exiting 3.5 package to world, in addition to simply kde itself.

I ran into this almost immediately myself and the fix was:

emerge -avn =kde-meta-3.5.8 =kde-meta-4.0.0

This puts both SLOTs into world and prevents --depclean from nuking them

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 09:09 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> > not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package, and
> > compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is the sum
> > of the individual downloads and compiles.
> 
> Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.

last time I used parallel-fetch (a while ago) it looked different to
Dale's output though - I don't remember seeing the wget style
completion:
79% [+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++===========>             ]
but rather I see the message (just tried it out now)
Downloading 'jdk-6u4-dlj-linux-i586.bin'...
see /var/log/emerge-fetch.log for details.

hmm...
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Jerry McBride]

On Monday 21 January 2008 06:40:42 pm Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 09:09 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package,
> > > and compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is
> > > the sum of the individual downloads and compiles.
> >
> > Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.
>
> last time I used parallel-fetch (a while ago) it looked different to
> Dale's output though - I don't remember seeing the wget style
> completion:
> 79% [+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++===========>             ]
> but rather I see the message (just tried it out now)
> Downloading 'jdk-6u4-dlj-linux-i586.bin'...
> see /var/log/emerge-fetch.log for details.
>
> hmm...
> --
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>


What you are seeing is the result of a RESUMED download... Try grabbing a 
file, interrupt the download then follow up with fetching it again. You'll 
see the above....


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Dale]

Jerry McBride wrote:
> On Monday 21 January 2008 06:40:42 pm Iain Buchanan wrote:
>   
>> On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 09:09 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>>     
>>> On Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:00:35 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>>>       
>>>> not quite the same :)  "emerge -u world" would download one package,
>>>> and compile it, download the next, compile it.  So the total time is
>>>> the sum of the individual downloads and compiles.
>>>>         
>>> Not if you add parallel-fetch to FEATURES.
>>>       
>> last time I used parallel-fetch (a while ago) it looked different to
>> Dale's output though - I don't remember seeing the wget style
>> completion:
>> 79% [+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++===========>             ]
>> but rather I see the message (just tried it out now)
>> Downloading 'jdk-6u4-dlj-linux-i586.bin'...
>> see /var/log/emerge-fetch.log for details.
>>
>> hmm...
>> --
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>>
>>     
>
>
> What you are seeing is the result of a RESUMED download... Try grabbing a 
> file, interrupt the download then follow up with fetching it again. You'll 
> see the above....
>
>
>   

Yep, it was a resumed download.  If for example I started the emerge of
KDE, it would start to download and compile whatever it has downloaded
already.  However, if it comes to a package that has not been
downloaded, it will show the other thing that it is waiting on the
download to finish.  I almost always do a -f first.  This is so slow
that it can compile it waaaaay faster than it can download it.  Plus, I
can see how big it is and how much it has left to download.

I walked up to the phone box today, they been working on it some more. 
I saw a lot of wire insulation on the ground where they have been
hooking up wires.  < Dale says a prayer that it is soon >  I figure it
will be here shortly after I get KDE and OOo downloaded.  LOL

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Wayn0]

Dale wrote:
> < Dale says a prayer that it is soon > 

I feel you pain I was on dial up for many years and until just two years 
ago!

After which I moved to the UK for a short time where I was suddenly 
paying the for 16mb uncapped as I was for my dial up!

I am back in South Africa now and using a 4mb line, but I will never 
forget my dial up days!

Good luck and I hope they get you set-up ASAP. :-)

Now back on topic, I have never really been a KDE users in the past.
I always stuck to openbox or GNOME. However there seems to be a lot of 
hype around the new KDE and I think I am gonna give it a go.

So yeah anybody in Johannesburg need the sources let me know, will be 
downloading them this evening.

Regards
Wayn0

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 22 January 2008, Wayn0 wrote:
> Dale wrote:

> So yeah anybody in Johannesburg need the sources let me know, will be
> downloading them this evening.

It's 300-odd M, maybe you wanna come by my office in Randburg and get 
them off me?



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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 22 January 2008, Wayn0 wrote:

> Now back on topic, I have never really been a KDE users in the past.
> I always stuck to openbox or GNOME. However there seems to be a lot of
> hype around the new KDE and I think I am gonna give it a go.

KDE 4.0.0 is far from being as feature-rich as 3.5.x. It also has some rough 
edges and bugs. Try it out but don't be too disappointed. See it as the 
starting point of a long series of instalments. Hopefully, 4.0.1 will have 
most bugs ironed out. As for features, we will have to wait for 4.1. But, 
yeah, give it a try.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[BRM]

--- Uwe Thiem <uwix@iway.na> wrote:
> On 22 January 2008, Wayn0 wrote:
> > Now back on topic, I have never really been a KDE users in the
> past.
> > I always stuck to openbox or GNOME. However there seems to be a lot
> of
> > hype around the new KDE and I think I am gonna give it a go.
> KDE 4.0.0 is far from being as feature-rich as 3.5.x. It also has
> some rough 
> edges and bugs. Try it out but don't be too disappointed. See it as
> the 
> starting point of a long series of instalments. Hopefully, 4.0.1 will
> have 
> most bugs ironed out. As for features, we will have to wait for 4.1.
> But, 
> yeah, give it a try.

Ok, so this is the first time I'm watching this (i.e. package upgrade
like this) happen for Gentoo - or really any distro since I use to just
grab the stuff from original source and install it based on latest
stable, pretty much ignoring the package management systems. (Yeah, I
used Slackware; now converted to Gentoo.)

Any how...I'd like to play with KDE4 - namely for Dolphin as Konquerer
drives me nuts for file system stuff, but I'm not wanting to do an
overlay (at least, not yet - may be after I've used Gentoo for a while
longer on my desktop). So I was wondering what kind of time frame would
be likely for getting KDE4 to be pushed to testing and then to open
availability. A couple months? Just curious.

I noticed it finally showed up as a hard mask.

TIA,

Ben
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Mantas Povilaitis]

2008/1/22, BRM <bm_witness@yahoo.com>:
> So I was wondering what kind of time frame would
> be likely for getting KDE4 to be pushed to testing and then to open
> availability. A couple months? Just curious.
>
> I noticed it finally showed up as a hard mask.
>
AFAIK 4.0.0 will not be unmasked. Only 4.0.1 (or 4.1?).
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Thomas Pani]

Mantas Povilaitis wrote:
> AFAIK 4.0.0 will not be unmasked. Only 4.0.1 (or 4.1?).

yep. from gentoo-dev:

Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> Carsten Lohrke wrote:
>> The code base has too many issues and is incomplete compared to 
>> KDE 3.5, so it's not ready to push it to the regular ~arch user, yet.
> 
> I didn't mean hard-masked. I've reconsidered, though, and seeing the new 
> timeline upstream published for the 4.0.1, I agree. We'll see about 
> 4.0.1's quality...
> 
> Thus, KDE 4.0.0 is going to go in hard-masked.



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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Graham Murray]

Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> writes:

> Why don't you have two terminals going - one doing -f, and the other
> compiling it for real.  They will wait nicely for each other.  At least
> then you'll get the compile going while you wait for the next download.

Or set FEATURES="parallel-fetch" in /etc/make.conf
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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:32:13 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> [blocks B     ] <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking 
> kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
> 
> I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I
> cannot unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?

It's <3.5.7, do you have an older version lying around, as well as 3.5.8?
Or it something else trying to pull it in, what does --tree tell you?


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 19 January 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:32:13 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > [blocks B     ] <kde-base/kdebase-3.5.7-r6 (is blocking
> > kde-base/kdelibs-4.0.0)
> >
> > I do not have emerge kdebase-3.5.7 but kdebase-3.5.8. The3refore, I
> > cannot unemerge 3.5.7. How can I work around this?
>
> It's <3.5.7, do you have an older version lying around, as well as 3.5.8?
> Or it something else trying to pull it in, what does --tree tell you?

Oh, gawd! I completely missed the "<". =8-O

Yes, I do have some older versions of KDE lying around. Alright, some unmerge 
to be done.

BIG thanks!!!!! And a Hansa draught will be ready for you if you ever visit 
Namibia. ;-)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:39:41 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> BIG thanks!!!!! And a Hansa draught will be ready for you if you ever
> visit Namibia. ;-)

I may just take you up on that ;-)


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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 19 January 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:39:41 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > BIG thanks!!!!! And a Hansa draught will be ready for you if you
> > ever visit Namibia. ;-)
>
> I may just take you up on that ;-)

Neil, print that mail off and keep it in a safe place, Uwe is offering 
you the good stuff. And Hansa draught is the very very very good 
stuff :-)

It's so good that we can hardly ever get it a mere 1000km away :-(

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Uwe Thiem]

On 19 January 2008, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 19 January 2008, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 19:39:41 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > > BIG thanks!!!!! And a Hansa draught will be ready for you if you
> > > ever visit Namibia. ;-)
> >
> > I may just take you up on that ;-)
>
> Neil, print that mail off and keep it in a safe place, Uwe is offering
> you the good stuff. And Hansa draught is the very very very good
> stuff :-)
>
> It's so good that we can hardly ever get it a mere 1000km away :-(

@Alan:
Drive to Hermanus, they have it there. ;-)

The best beer in my book is Pilsener Urquell. Unfortunately, South African 
Breweries (SAB) has bought the brewery over there. I can't tell a decline in 
quality yet, but a friend of mine, a brewer at Namibia Breweries, tells me 
they can measure it already.

In the long run, SAB will fuck Pilsener Urquell like they have fucked the beer 
of every brewery they have bought. I have been told, though, that there are 
quite some micro-breweries in South Africa that still make good stuff.

Uwe

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[REALLY OT] [BEER] Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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expecting your emails!

Next 2600 meeting is near ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Very OT] KDE 4.0.0

[Alan McKinnon]

On Saturday 19 January 2008, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> @Alan:
> Drive to Hermanus, they have it there. ;-)
>
> The best beer in my book is Pilsener Urquell. Unfortunately, South
> African Breweries (SAB) has bought the brewery over there. I can't
> tell a decline in quality yet, but a friend of mine, a brewer at
> Namibia Breweries, tells me they can measure it already.

Can't stand the stuff myself. Fizzy. Like lemonade....

> In the long run, SAB will fuck Pilsener Urquell like they have fucked
> the beer of every brewery they have bought. 

Except Miller's. That was already a complete cock-up and SAB didn't have 
to change anything to meet QA standards :-)

> I have been told, though, 
> that there are quite some micro-breweries in South Africa that still
> make good stuff.

And most of them come from Namibia! I rather like Windhoek.

Heineken, English ales and of course Guinness top my list. I won't even 
mention the real German stuff as it's practically unavailable - doesn't 
survive the trip out here well.



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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 4.0.0

[pu stshine]

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Hi,everyone,I wanted to install KDE4 and meet a problem like this
:
 emerge kde

Linking CXX shared module ../../../../lib/kcm_kwinoptions.so
[ 45%] Built target kcm_kwinoptions
make: *** [all] Error 2
 *
 * ERROR: kde-base/kdebase-4.0.0 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *              ebuild.sh, line 1701:  Called dyn_compile
 *              ebuild.sh, line 1039:  Called qa_call 'src_compile'
 *              ebuild.sh, line   44:  Called src_compile
 *   kdebase-4.0.0.ebuild, line  212:  Called kde4-base_src_compile
 *       kde4-base.eclass, line  298:  Called kde4-base_src_make
 *       kde4-base.eclass, line  345:  Called cmake-utils_src_make
 *     cmake-utils.eclass, line  146:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *              emake "$@" || die "Make failed!"
 *  The die message:
 *   Make failed!
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdebase-
4.0.0/temp/build.log'.

and I searched for a while and try emerge -D kde,but when emerging
kdenetwork:

/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/sharedlgimpl.h:52:
error: expected class-name before '{' token
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/sharedlgimpl.h:52:
warning: 'class ShareDlgImpl' has virtual functions but non-virtual
destructor
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.h:157:
error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'KcmInterface' with no type
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.h:157:
error: expected ';' before '*' token
/usr/kde/4.0/include/kcmodule.h:214: warning: 'virtual void
KCModule::load()' was hidden
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.h:75:
warning:   by 'void KcmSambaConf::load(const QString&)'
/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0/work/kdenetwork-4.0.0/filesharing/advanced/kcm_sambaconf/kcmsambaconf.cpp:
In constructor 'KcmSambaConf::KcmSambaConf(const KComponentData&, QWidget*,
const char*)':



 * ERROR: kde-base/kdenetwork-4.0.0 failed.
 * Call stack:
 *                 ebuild.sh, line 1701:  Called dyn_compile
 *                 ebuild.sh, line 1039:  Called qa_call 'src_compile'
 *                 ebuild.sh, line   44:  Called src_compile
 *   kdenetwork-4.0.0.ebuild, line  113:  Called kde4-base_src_compile
 *          kde4-base.eclass, line  298:  Called kde4-base_src_make
 *          kde4-base.eclass, line  345:  Called cmake-utils_src_make
 *        cmake-utils.eclass, line  146:  Called die
 * The specific snippet of code:
 *              emake "$@" || die "Make failed!"
 *  The die message:
 *   Make failed!
 *
 * If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if
relevant.
 * A complete build log is located at '/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/kdenetwork-
4.0.0/temp/build.log'

Did anyone  meet problems like me?

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