From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JFQqk-0003nR-B0 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:50 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 51048E070E; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fmailhost06.isp.att.net (fmailhost06.isp.att.net [207.115.11.56]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD67E0944 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.78.70.20] (host-216-78-70-20.jan.bellsouth.net[216.78.70.20]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc06) with ESMTP id <20080117091514H0600cntgae>; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:15:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [216.78.70.20] Message-ID: <478F1C81.7070900@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:14:41 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.11) Gecko/20071205 SeaMonkey/1.1.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead? References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <20080111143332.4ccf33de@grolsch.ajiaojr.net> <200801171010.01508.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200801171010.01508.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: c4cc420f-d503-49ff-a6cf-60317a18c3b6 X-Archives-Hash: 9f4b559549de419446312c26426fcbf6 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Thursday 17 January 2008, Thufir wrote: > >> On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:33:32 +0000, Qian Qiao wrote: >> >>> What extra do you archieve if you install your Gentoo from a Gentoo >>> LiveCD instead of a Knoppix CD? None! >>> >>> Stop binding you mind to the concept that "I have to install a >>> Gentoo from a Gentoo CD", it's not true, start looking at a broader >>> perspective. >>> >> I don't think anyone's making that argument. What I'm asking, at >> least, is why Gentoo prides itself on having one of the steepest >> learning curves. >> > > Because it's a source-based distro. > > And that one simple fact changes EVERYTHING. > > Now think this through - you have a source based distro where everything > is built locally. What does it take to boot strap such a system > install? What do you need to provide? What tools must be available? How > will they be made available? Then the killer question: > > What does the user need to know to be able to do this? > > Doesn't matter how you spin it, we don't have a binary distro and what > works there probably doesn't work here. We have to use techniques that > actually work here, and catering for every possible user type, a la > Mandriva, is simply not going to work. > Well said. Gentoo is nothing like Mandriva, Mandrake or whatever it is called now. I switched from Mandrake and while Gentoo does have a learning curve, my only other option to have the control I wanted was Linux from Scratch. That was a bit much for me, no tarball to at least start out with. I still like having the CD around tho. ;-) Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list