From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JErMO-0007Vr-Cw for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:22:08 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECB75E08A4; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 627C6E087C for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:21:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id w53so3279485pyg.25 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:21:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mR3R73hqOo3jt3TS+EurgBJ+4P86ohk9Gmitd8v8uDE=; b=gPRfmXA1XZYdM2h8TLSXlqRacbyV92eROjDSLcjX5hAYW53u5eMylRmws5fZvwYFRw9xm0vZufML4gYSm2u6+pim/81dpuxwbGzU60dYt/RPOIIau1RpurUdugNt6bBHw78PDI/h8lakFBhnrkpgT8su5onhOqPqenAoBY4d348= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-enigmail-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fbQDzblZ6afzLm6H4tKJgmSjYcrtFXwMPR60R/DEzNZyqfYl+BjJEhDjb9B4Hs2QEjTltMVyuXin7PhPx4INCrj59lAtPjOHfspC6dbwoa93jOh886YmxTkeChIHBug4uIE1T7WuAzMYITLDgviIu652Uq36JC6NyBVBpFrWC84= Received: by 10.65.103.14 with SMTP id f14mr18114943qbm.12.1200424894708; Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [68.114.95.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f17sm6142882qba.35.2008.01.15.11.21.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 15 Jan 2008 11:21:33 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <478D0791.4040502@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 14:20:49 -0500 From: Eric Martin User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Is GWN dead? References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <4787F31B.3050209@gmail.com> <200801120113.30788.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200801120113.30788.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 56f91233-696e-4b48-bf27-56959ac70f81 X-Archives-Hash: 7d340937209b10afdf21b17a53bb97ee Alan McKinnon wrote: > to build other distros. It is not suitable for newbies (disregard the > occasional newbie that does get it right, that's a minority and very > atypical), and one really does have to have moved beyond the "Oh, look! > Shiny installer!" mentality to appreciate it. When you get to that > stage, you appreciate that you need a bootstrap system to build the > first stages of your own distro, and you can get that bootstrap system > from any place you feel like getting it from. > I came to Gentoo at gentoo 1.2 / gentoo 1.4 (I don't remember the year but it was around 2002). I was a GNU/Linux newbie who only knew RedHat and didn't quite understand compiling kernels. Doing the install taught me GNU/Linux and I'm better for it. I think newbies should try it, but unfortunately a lot might be turned off because it's 'too much work'. > Anybody that feels they *need* or *must have* an official Gentoo > installer is probably the wrong target market and should be referred to > other distros that will suit their needs better. This is not a troll or > an elitist statement, it's just recognizing what gentoo is and what it > isn't - it's not a distro suitable for someone to whom chroot isn't yet > second nature. > I don't think it's an elitist statement, I agree in thinking that we shouldn't cater to the lcd. There are plenty of distros out there that work just fine and the greatest thing about FOSS is choice. If all of the options are the same there's no point. Again though, I have to disagree with the point that it's not for somebody whom chroot isn't yet second nature: I learned chroot through the install. I've tried playing around with Fedora / Ubunttu but I keep going back to Gentoo; it's my favorite distro. just my $0.02 eric -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list