Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Re: Is GWN dead?

["b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com>]

Galevsky ha scritto:
> On Jan 13, 2008 8:24 PM, Michael Schmarck
> <michael.schmarck@habmalnefrage.de> wrote:
>>>> So I'd rather say, that it would be better, if there were no install
>>>> CD at all.
>>> But it can be done.
>> It's not worth the effort, though, as far as I'm concerned.
> 
> Since your are not concerned about releasing them, you should find no
> issue to let others do it. It is the community spirit, when folks add
> a new way to do something, just enlarging the panel of possibilities
> without negative impact on existing solutions, even if it doesn't suit
> your own needs, since you still have the possibility to setup your
> system by the older way,  there is no reason to prevent motivated
> people from implementing their alternative solution.

Of course there is no reason to prevent people to implement new
solutions. New solutions are always welcome: this is what open source is
for. :)

However, I personally think it's a waste of time, and it could possibly
put unnecessary blame on Gentoo. And you are the living proof of it.

Let me explain. You began complaining because the Gentoo live cd
*exists*, but it is out of date and didn't support your hardware. It's a
reasonable complain in the assumption you need the Gentoo cd (and you
can't do with anything else): you of course want your hardware to be
supported by the medium installation.

Now, imagine the official Gentoo live cd *never existed*. You probably
just would have picked up some cd you knew supported your system (say,
latest Ubuntu) and installed using that. No complaining, no discussions,
everyone happy.

See? Having the Gentoo live cd *was wrong from the beginning*. It put
another fairly complex piece of software to support on developer
shoulders, offered vanishingly little benefit, and when it fails it
immediately puts blame on Gentoo: "hey this cd doesn't support my
hardware, wtf" that can offset potential users.

The reason other distro have complex live cds for installing is that
they *need that*. Gentoo does not need this additional complexity.
Nevertheless a live cd there was, but as you experienced, it's more the
trouble it causes than that it solves.

And not having a live cd on which Gentoo is obliged to depend is not a
bug: sir, it's a feature! The live cd didn't support my Macbook Pro
networking. Well, fine: Kubuntu did. I had a Kubuntu 7.10 cd around,
booted from that, no hassle at all. Other distros have to support their
own live cd, and if it fails, installation is impossible. With Gentoo,
we have the full monty of live cds to choose within. It's like a distro
with infinite installers.

You are free to create a live cd for Gentoo install, but you're doing
nothing new nor particularly useful. You'll just add one to the list. Why?

m.
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