From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JE1Jl-0001s5-1R for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:47:57 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75B69E09AF; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:47:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from india533.server4you.de (india533.server4you.de [85.25.151.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC71CE06B7 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 11:47:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.17] (pD95FD8F1.dip.t-dialin.net [217.95.216.241]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by india533.server4you.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1331E770579 for ; Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:47:34 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4789FA54.8010407@smash-net.org> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 12:47:32 +0100 From: =?UTF-8?B?Tm9ybWFuIFJpZcOf?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is GWN dead? References: <20080111082729.GA12107@localhost> <20080112141853.6339fc0f@osage.osagesoftware.com> <47892E37.9000900@gmail.com> <200801131053.20335.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200801131053.20335.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4ffde523-6097-4af9-877e-b46e035796b6 X-Archives-Hash: 1b901d48733e10eb996d2ac5321aeaa7 Alan McKinnon schrieb: > On Saturday 12 January 2008, Qian Qiao wrote: > >> I can understand why you guys think we are so compelled to have a >> Gentoo LiveCD, because every other OS does, and to be honest, that is >> exactly the reason that stops you guys thinking out of the box, in >> what way is being able to install Gentoo from any LiveCD/distro a bad >> thing? In everyway it should be considered one of Gentoo's strengths? >> > > Joe, > > You have hit the nail on the head. The users around here pushing the > idea to have an install CD just do not get it, and are probably > *not*able* to think out the box. They can comprehend is "Gentoo = > Gentoo install CD", precisely because virtually every other OS does it > this way. And they have been indoctrinated to think this is the only > way it can work, or they have drunk the PR department Kool-Aid or > suffer from Red Hat Inc.'s major disease - Not Invented Here syndrome. > > I've had hundreds of people pass through my Linux sysadmin courses, and > guess which concept they have most trouble grasping? It's not how > initrd works, Xen, or LVM (the usual assumed suspects), it's how do you > manage to use an Ubuntu LiveCD to fix a broken Red Hat system? Or how > did I install Red Hat using Ubuntu as a bootstrap system (possible, but > waaaaaay more trouble than it's worth) > > Such people should probably be running Ubuntu or a binary distro as they > don't fit the profile of gentoo's target audience. Before anyone flames > me to oblivion for insulting them, it's not an insult. I just recognize > that you want to buy a high performance passenger car, and gentoo sells > an experimental plane in kit form. > > I have installed Gentoo in many ways, the old UniversalCD, the LiveCD, others Distros LiveCD's, from a working Gentooinstallation to a usb-connected drive which was transferred to boot in a old laptop and so on. But i still think a Gentoo-Install-CD/DVD is a good thing. So your statement "The users around here pushing the idea to have an install CD just do not get it, and are probably *not*able* to think out the box." is clearly not bulletproof. Norman -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list