From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JDluP-0004dn-I1 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:20:45 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5F261E06DC; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:19:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fire-eyes.org (makulit.fire-eyes.org [89.16.163.121]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A466FE06D0 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:19:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]) by fire-eyes.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JDlsl-0006Ma-87 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:19:03 +0000 Message-ID: <478912A6.1030406@fire-eyes.org> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:19:02 +0000 From: fire-eyes User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071116) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ? References: <1200129071.4788842fc5816@imp.free.fr> <200801121231.42265.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200801121231.42265.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "makulit.fire-eyes.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote: >> Daniel Robbins offers to take back Gentoo leadership. >> What about it ? Read >> http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html > > I've kept very quiet about Gentoo politics for a long time, but Daniel's > blog has promoted me to finally open my mouth and express my views. > > Daniel is in a tricky position - he is the legal President of the > Foundation but also has no role in the project in real life. > > There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trustees as a group have ever > done a single thing for Gentoo in three years. The fundamental > responsibility of Trustees is to ensure that legal paperwork is > properly filed, they did not even do this. Grant Goodyear is getting > some things done but he's doing it as one person. Chris is in a similar > position. But the Trustees, as a body with specific duties, simply does > not exist in any reasonable definition of Trustees. > > I used to read -dev and various council mailing lists a long time ago as > I wanted to keep up to date with these things as a user. I unsubscribed > because I couldn't stand the constant bickering going on there. OSS > projects always have their laundry out in the public eye and some > conflict is always present but Gentoo management manages to take this > to a whole new level - from on outsider's point of view, the bickering > is done for the sake of bickering, and it does not result in decisions > being made or solutions found. > > Ciaran Mcreesh - I am very specifically looking at you here. [...] Content analysis details: (-4.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.8 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -2.6 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Archives-Salt: a67f729a-f566-4db5-b86a-21f7f052790e X-Archives-Hash: bcc240069f709e82e04e3aa70466b762 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On Saturday 12 January 2008, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote: >> Daniel Robbins offers to take back Gentoo leadership. >> What about it ? Read >> http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html > > I've kept very quiet about Gentoo politics for a long time, but Daniel's > blog has promoted me to finally open my mouth and express my views. > > Daniel is in a tricky position - he is the legal President of the > Foundation but also has no role in the project in real life. > > There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trustees as a group have ever > done a single thing for Gentoo in three years. The fundamental > responsibility of Trustees is to ensure that legal paperwork is > properly filed, they did not even do this. Grant Goodyear is getting > some things done but he's doing it as one person. Chris is in a similar > position. But the Trustees, as a body with specific duties, simply does > not exist in any reasonable definition of Trustees. > > I used to read -dev and various council mailing lists a long time ago as > I wanted to keep up to date with these things as a user. I unsubscribed > because I couldn't stand the constant bickering going on there. OSS > projects always have their laundry out in the public eye and some > conflict is always present but Gentoo management manages to take this > to a whole new level - from on outsider's point of view, the bickering > is done for the sake of bickering, and it does not result in decisions > being made or solutions found. > > Ciaran Mcreesh - I am very specifically looking at you here. Very strongly agree with Mr McCreesh (spelling?). While I respect his technical abilities and contributions, I believe his horrible attitude, clear trolling and ability to pit devs against each other, seemingly for fun, is far more harmful. That he wasn't gotten rid of early on is actually the biggest sign of problems in my eyes. That he has fans and followers is another. -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list