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From: fire-eyes <sgtphou@fire-eyes.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 19:19:02 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <478912A6.1030406@fire-eyes.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200801121231.42265.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Saturday 12 January 2008, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote:
>> Daniel Robbins offers to take back Gentoo leadership.
>> What about it ? Read
>> http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html
> 
> I've kept very quiet about Gentoo politics for a long time, but Daniel's 
> blog has promoted me to finally open my mouth and express my views.
> 
> Daniel is in a tricky position - he is the legal President of the 
> Foundation but also has no role in the project in real life.
> 
> There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trustees as a group have ever 
> done a single thing for Gentoo in three years. The fundamental 
> responsibility of Trustees is to ensure that legal paperwork is 
> properly filed, they did not even do this. Grant Goodyear is getting 
> some things done but he's doing it as one person. Chris is in a similar 
> position. But the Trustees, as a body with specific duties, simply does 
> not exist in any reasonable definition of Trustees.
> 
> I used to read -dev and various council mailing lists a long time ago as 
> I wanted to keep up to date with these things as a user. I unsubscribed 
> because I couldn't stand the constant bickering going on there. OSS 
> projects always have their laundry out in the public eye and some 
> conflict is always present but Gentoo management manages to take this 
> to a whole new level - from on outsider's point of view, the bickering 
> is done for the sake of bickering, and it does not result in decisions 
> being made or solutions found.
> 
> Ciaran Mcreesh - I am very specifically looking at you here.

Very strongly agree with Mr McCreesh (spelling?). While I respect his 
technical abilities and contributions, I believe his horrible attitude, 
clear trolling and ability to pit devs against each other, seemingly for 
fun, is far more harmful. That he wasn't gotten rid of early on is 
actually the biggest sign of problems in my eyes. That he has fans and 
followers is another.
-- 
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-01-12 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-01-12  9:11 [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ? alain.didierjean
2008-01-12 10:31 ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 12:08   ` Jil Larner
2008-01-12 12:55     ` Mick
2008-01-12 13:34       ` Dale
2008-01-12 17:07         ` Richard Marzan
2008-01-12 17:22           ` Renat Golubchyk
2008-01-12 17:49             ` Hal Martin
2008-01-12 18:13             ` Richard Marzan
2008-01-12 21:17               ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13 14:07                 ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 14:23                   ` Naga Toro
2008-01-13 14:33                     ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 15:06                       ` Naga Toro
2008-01-13 16:31                         ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 17:37                           ` Naga Toro
2008-01-14  5:42                             ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14 11:43                               ` Galevsky
2008-01-14 11:19                             ` Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-13 16:45                       ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13 22:39                         ` Dale
2008-01-14  6:54                           ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2008-01-14  7:28                             ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14  7:41                             ` Dale
2008-01-14  7:51                               ` Naga
2008-01-14  8:10                                 ` Dale
2008-01-14 16:18                               ` James
2008-01-14 11:16                         ` [gentoo-user] " Eddie Mihalow Jr
2008-01-19 15:37                         ` [gentoo-user] Quo vadis Gentoo [WAS: Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-19 19:55                           ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-16  4:58                     ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? »Q«
2008-01-13 14:48                 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-12 20:03           ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-12 21:16           ` [gentoo-user] " Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-13  9:10           ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 17:11         ` Δημήτριος Ροπόκης
2008-01-19 12:45         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-20  0:40           ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2008-01-23 17:35             ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-23 18:48               ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2008-01-12 22:06       ` James
2008-01-13  0:03         ` Dale
2008-01-13  4:08           ` James
2008-01-13  7:56             ` Mark Kirkwood
2008-01-13  9:31               ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14  2:52                 ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-13  9:58               ` Uwe Thiem
2008-01-13  9:29         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-12 19:19   ` fire-eyes [this message]
2008-01-13  9:37     ` [gentoo-user] " Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13 10:05       ` Alan E. Davis
2008-01-14  8:47         ` [gentoo-user] " Thufir
2008-01-13 10:06       ` [gentoo-user] " Uwe Thiem
2008-01-13 10:18         ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-13  1:12   ` [gentoo-user] " James
2008-01-13 10:41     ` Mick
2008-01-13 14:51       ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14  1:19         ` James
2008-01-14  5:35           ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-14  6:04             ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-14 12:31               ` Mick
2008-01-14 10:26     ` Thufir
2008-01-14 16:51       ` James
2008-01-14 18:11         ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-14 18:30           ` Jil Larner
2008-01-14 19:47             ` James
2008-01-14 20:40               ` reader
2008-01-14 21:13                 ` Jil Larner
2008-01-14 21:03               ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15  5:22                 ` reader
2008-01-15  5:42                   ` Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15  7:26                     ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-15  7:57                     ` Mick
2008-01-14 21:51               ` Jil Larner
2008-01-15  0:31               ` Iain Buchanan
2008-01-14 19:15           ` James
2008-01-14 20:43             ` [gentoo-user] Re: License issues [was:Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-14 21:33               ` James
2008-01-14 22:16                 ` Etaoin Shrdlu
2008-01-15 11:39                 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-14 21:16             ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? Alan McKinnon
2008-01-15  1:36               ` James
2008-01-15 11:34                 ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-15 11:31             ` Michael Schmarck
2008-01-17  6:37         ` Thufir
2008-01-19 14:55     ` [gentoo-user] Quo vadis Gentoo [WAS: Daniel Robbins' come back ?] Enrico Weigelt
2008-01-14 10:30 ` [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? Thufir

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