From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JDfBd-0005CU-6d for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:10:05 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 821C9E0550; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:09:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from coliposte.enst-bretagne.fr (coliposte.enst-bretagne.fr [192.108.115.12]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4368E054D for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by coliposte.enst-bretagne.fr (8.13.7/8.13.7/2006.08.14) with ESMTP id m0CC9LtT001185 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:09:21 +0100 Received: from maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr (maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr [192.44.76.8]) by coliposte.enst-bretagne.fr (8.13.7/8.13.7/2008.01.11) with ESMTP id m0CC9H8s001173 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:09:19 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr [127.0.0.1]) by maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A69495DA for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:09:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (venus.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CG1KmMNmhPKz for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:09:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.22.202.138] (the-world.maisel.enst-bretagne.fr [172.22.202.138]) by maisel-gw.enst-bretagne.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5050749592 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:09:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4788ADA8.9020107@gnoo.eu> Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:08:08 +0100 From: Jil Larner User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (X11/20071117) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ? References: <1200129071.4788842fc5816@imp.free.fr> <200801121231.42265.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <200801121231.42265.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at enst-bretagne.fr Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: 57122279-aeef-433a-8041-992eac5b6d22 X-Archives-Hash: 3829690269395b7151cc7e1289eb1242 Well, it's like if I am opening my eyes. I never looked at what the foundation was supposed to do. For a couple of years I've been using gentoo, I never get any political announcement, maybe because I didn't look at the right place, or maybe there was no. I mean that except the Gentoo's Philosophy and the Gentoo's Social Contract, I didn't see politic, for my eyes were probably closed. It doesn't mean I didn't enjoyed gentoo, its power, its flexibility, its community. But I certainly missed something. There are so many ways to communicate (lists, IRC, boards, wikis, project pages, etc.) that I must admit I'm sometime lost. Today, I learn we're in trouble. Good. What trouble ? What's happening ? Why through the words of Daniel Robbins, I feel some fear ? I feel he foresees a dead end and offers an opportunity to change before it is too late. Once more, to quote Matrix, "the problem is choice". In Free Software, there are often choices where the community can get involved in and it makes our strength. The problem is, and is not, legal papers. Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an Iceberg. Could someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people did not do what they were supposed to do : what should they have done ? Thanks. Alan McKinnon a =E9crit : > On Saturday 12 January 2008, alain.didierjean@free.fr wrote: >> Daniel Robbins offers to take back Gentoo leadership. >> What about it ? Read >> http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html >=20 > I've kept very quiet about Gentoo politics for a long time, but Daniel'= s=20 > blog has promoted me to finally open my mouth and express my views. >=20 > Daniel is in a tricky position - he is the legal President of the=20 > Foundation but also has no role in the project in real life. >=20 > There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trustees as a group have ever=20 > done a single thing for Gentoo in three years. The fundamental=20 > responsibility of Trustees is to ensure that legal paperwork is=20 > properly filed, they did not even do this. Grant Goodyear is getting=20 > some things done but he's doing it as one person. Chris is in a similar= =20 > position. But the Trustees, as a body with specific duties, simply does= =20 > not exist in any reasonable definition of Trustees. >=20 > I used to read -dev and various council mailing lists a long time ago a= s=20 > I wanted to keep up to date with these things as a user. I unsubscribed= =20 > because I couldn't stand the constant bickering going on there. OSS=20 > projects always have their laundry out in the public eye and some=20 > conflict is always present but Gentoo management manages to take this=20 > to a whole new level - from on outsider's point of view, the bickering=20 > is done for the sake of bickering, and it does not result in decisions=20 > being made or solutions found. >=20 > Ciaran Mcreesh - I am very specifically looking at you here. >=20 > The council - I'm not up to date on that aspect so can't comment. >=20 > When I read about current Gentoo politics I can't help but constantly=20 > think of just one word: >=20 > Stampede. >=20 >=20 --=20 gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list