From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvmw9-0002HC-I3 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:06:21 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 82E9A21C153; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.34.165]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B39721C08B for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:04:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.34.141] (helo=smtp10.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq2.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvmuk-0005oP-ON for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:04:54 +0200 Received: from 5ed027a1.cm-7-1a.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([94.208.39.161] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp10.gn.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvmui-0001hN-1T for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:04:52 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2948BBC7 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:08:55 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at antarean.org Received: from data.antarean.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (data.antarean.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P2RbiIldG6rL for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:08:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from eve.localnet (eve.lan.antarean.org [10.20.13.50]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82FF2364 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:08:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Joost Roeleveld To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:04:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4748269.JdVauLhZiG@eve> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.0 (Linux/2.6.36-gentoo-r5; KDE/4.7.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4E53652E.8010404@xunil.at> References: <4E4C2CC4.6080604@xunil.at> <1451077.U4Zyk5FIVu@eve> <4E53652E.8010404@xunil.at> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-ID: 1Qvmui-0001hN-1T X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: geen spam, SpamAssassin (niet cached, score=-1.135, vereist 5, BAYES_00 -1.90, KHOP_DYNAMIC 0.73, RDNS_DYNAMIC 0.98, RP_MATCHES_RCVD -0.95) X-ZiggoSMTP-MailScanner-From: joost@antarean.org X-Spam-Status: No X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: d4b2f7de38d5e9ca22055e50ba2ffd6e On Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:30:38 AM Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > Am 2011-08-23 08:27, schrieb Joost Roeleveld: > > On Monday, August 22, 2011 11:09:02 PM Stefan G. Weichinger wrote: > >> Am 22.08.2011 20:29, schrieb Stefan G. Weichinger: > > I don't tend to use preload. Is it usefull in a non-systemd > > environment? > > I always had the impression that things started faster with preload, > yes. Might be less of an impact with the new SSD I have in my desktop > machine now. > > I didn't really miss it when switching to systemd (where I don't have a > service-file for it yet). Guess it doesn't have much of an improvement anymore? :) > >> http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Improve_responsiveness_with_cgroups > >> > >> Is that stuff still valid? > > > > Maybe, if you want to group stuff you're running yourself into > > seperate groups. The different services are grouped already. > > > >> With systemd the whole use of cgroups changes fundamentally, I > >> don't have the knowledge to decide if to use both in parallel. > >> > >> For now I disabled the stuff from the wiki (stop sourcing > >> /etc/bash/local/cgrouprc) as it only gives me warnings ... > > > > What kind of warnings? Systemd already mounts the filesystem for it > > and starts poulating it. If your script does similar things, they > > might try to duplicate work? > > The code tries to write to its own dir: > > mkdir -p -m 0700 $cdir/user/$$ > /dev/null 2>&1 > /bin/echo $$ > $cdir/user/$$/tasks > /bin/echo '1' > $cdir/user/$$/notify_on_release > > But somehow the mkdir seems to fail as I get warnings from the two > echo-statements, that their "target-files" do not exist, which lead me > to the fact that $cdir/user/$$ does not exist. You could try adding ls-statements to see if it can set that op? Or try to run those commands. Where is $cdir pointing to? > > I think it is more useful on desktops and laptops, which get rebooted > > > > regularly. On a server that tends to run for months without a > > > > reboot, a fast init-system is important. > > You mean, "not so important" ? Yes, that's what I meant :) > > And I don't really see the point of D-BUS on a server either. All the > > services that need to talk to each other already have working > > communication paths. > > > > I do intend to implement it on my desktop and netbook as I'd like to > > have those booting as fast as possible. > > Yep, I agree. > Stefan